Burning Temperature of Jet Fuel

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by axiom, Jan 31, 2005.

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  1. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Read David Ray Griffin,Richard Gage,Steven Jones, and other serious researchers who are not here tospread the ridiculous government propaganda.
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    There are many brave souls speaking the truth,considering anyone who works for a major corporation,the media,the government or a University will likely lose his liveleyhood and have his career jeopardized.
    Look at the evidence.It becomes very easy to see which side is engaging in falsification,obfuscation,dissemination,straw man and AdHominem attacks and propaganda.
    They have the advantage of billions of dollars in taxpayer money for their enterprise.
    But we have the advantage of the Truth.
     
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  3. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    The propagandists are hard at work.We are not nuts. The nuts are those who believe kerosene can ever get hot enough to melt steel and demolish skyscrapers.
     
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  5. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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  7. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Nice try traitor.Ad Hominem attacks,false staements and straw man arguements.
    The elevators were separated in order to not spread fire.A fire cannot increase in temperatur,especially after having oxygen restricted.Most of what you say is absolutely false.There are mountains of evidence,but absolutely none for the government's ridiculous conspiracy theory about goatherders engineering the most technologically advanced false flag terrorattack in history.
    Even the FBI said there is no evidence to connect Bin Laden to 9/11 yet every news channel announced he did it before the last plane hit the ground.
    Pre-scripted propaganda! Wake up people!
     
  8. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    The pathetic 9/11 conspiracy has been debunked over and over in this forum. Every one of roscogre's claims has been addressed repeatedly and shown for what they are. May as well lock this and send it to the cesspool.
     
  9. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Is anyone claiming that the steel melted? Steel will begin to soften and lose its structural strength long before it actually liquefies. As I recall it begins to soften significantly at like 400-500 C, which would probably be well within the temperature range of a kerosene fire.
     
  10. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    The whole reawson there are those theories sprouted out of the idea that arabs are too stupid/ too incompetant to pilot a plane into a building, which i find outright rascist and idiotic.

    The terrorists that took over the plane had recorded phone calls from bin ladin. And if it were a conspiracy, explain the plane that crashed....
     
  11. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Because Bin ladin released a video saying he did it.

    Because phone calls from bin ladin to the terrorists that did it was recorded.

    You see here is my point about the whole theories coming out of the rascist ideas that arabs are stupid, slow, goatherders, thats not the case and anyone that honestly tries to spread that idea is scum.
     
  12. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Yes Over 20 witnessess including Paul Tully,owner of Tully construction and Mark Loizioux,owner of Controlled Demolition incorporated saw the pools of molten steel in the basement.And in fact you can see it yourself,in videos of the firemen digging in the pile.
     
  13. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Not to stupid,but not able to get security clearance from Marvin Bush's security company in order to plant explosives and thermite.
    More straw man.
    In fact there is not a single piece of convincing evidence of a plane crash anywhere,except for provably manufactured videos.
    Watch September Clues.
     
  14. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    And the video of Bin Laden is also a very bad fake.Even FBI said there is no evidence connecting Bin Laden,a known CIA asset,to the attacks.
     
  15. mobalance Registered Member

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    Actually... yes

    I wouldn't say that people standing in the openings is sufficient evidence for there not being extreme temperatures present in the building... After all, those were large buildings; although unlikely, the outer edges could have been the only places cool enough to stand. What I know for sure is that I would have to be facing imminent death in order to throw myself out of a 100-story window.

    That being said, just take a look at the videos that clearly show molten metal pouring out of the side of the building.

    I'm willing to bet that you could hold a kerosene blow torch to a hunk of that structural steel for hours without it even losing 25% of its strength, let alone having it turn into a pool of molten metal. I'd perform my own tests if I had the equipment.

    Things like this that anyone can see, and the explanations of which are blatantly avoided by the "experts," are what cause conspiracy theories to arise.

    I'm no nut, but I know it takes more than a day to set up a controlled demolition of a large building, especially one in the middle of a city. It would be interesting to know how building 7 was set to be demolished (or "pull[ed]" as was stated on video) in mere hours. They ADMITTED it was demolished. How so quickly?

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    If there was nothing to hide, these questions would be answered, and the videos showing the "plane" striking the Pentagon would be released. There's no reason to hide those videos from the public. If there's nothing to hide, why not just release them to confirm the official story? Why are we expected to believe everything we're told? I'm a physicist, by the way.
     
  16. mobalance Registered Member

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    Actually, it did melt. There are videos showing it pouring out of the building before it collapsed. =[
     
  17. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    You're joking right?
     
  18. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    It appears to be a molten material. It isn’t necessarily molten steel.

    It has been demonstrated that an office fire can reach a temperature that causes steel to soften and buckle. Read up on the Cardington tests.


    No one admitted it was demolished. If you actually read the quote from Silverstein it only makes sense if he is talking about pulling men out, which is entirely consistent with what happened. The conspiracy theorists ignore the entire quote to focus on one word.


    They have released a video showing a blurry, plane sized object about to hit and the subsequent explosion. Perhaps there is no clearer video than that. Perhaps they don’t want another iconic highlight reel to get out.

    It makes no difference, there is footage of two planes hitting the WTC, has that ended the conspiracy? Nope.


    That’s good but you need to watch more than a few youtube videos to get the whole story.
     
  19. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    Oh really? Show me this video of molten steel.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The collapse of the building heated air and metal in the lower levels to very high temps. That alone - without any high temp flammables in the structure or any other factors -would explain anything melted or burned.

    At this stage of things, probably any thread connecting the temperature of steel melting to any aspect of 9/11 can be safely cesspooled.
     
  21. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    Aren't afterburners limited to fighter jets and the Concord?

    What kinds of jets were you flying exactly?

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  22. UnDyinGWilL Registered Member

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    Regaurdless of how..which in my eyes at this time, either could have done it...
    im not an expert..and some facts despite my efforts elude me,however..

    THE MOTIVES of such individuals to orchestrate such things is clear.IT Was delibrately done or let happen. It was for money for which they will now derive power..of which many entitys and individuals have/had a stake in, and power is what their after. This is the main point that evryone needs to understand...Money is nothing to them..they have all the money they need..their after power. They want to controll evry facit of your life.. and in copenhagen right now the worlds future is being decided.

    this movie is not about 9/11..it is about the economic crysis, and about the decit of president obama, and about the false claim of MAN MADE global warming.
    This is thier end game..total global enslavment throught the IMF (International Monetary Fund) or world bank if you perfer.

    its is a 2 hour film prduced and written by Alex jones, its his latest work called
    " Fall of The Republuic- the presidency of barack obama"


    its on youtube just put this in the search

    Fall of the Republic HQ full length version
     
  23. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    I believe around 800 degrees celsius.
     
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