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  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Organic foods are foods that are produced using methods that do not involve modern synthetic inputs such as synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilizers, do not contain genetically modified organisms, and are not processed using irradiation, industrial solvents, or chemical food additives

    wild game is organic

    Born and raised on certified organic pasture
    Never receive antibiotics
    Never receive growth-promoting hormones
    Are fed only certified organic grains and grasses
    Must have unrestricted outdoor access
     
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    Born and raised on certified organic pasture
    Are fed only certified organic grains and grasses

    Wild game doesn't qualify for the organic label.

    Even if it was, it is wild animals you're talking about. So it's really irrelevant whether or not wild game meat deserves the organic label.
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    the whole outdoors is organic. It needs to be fenced in for you to consider it organic?
    only organic grains and grasses are in the wild. It needs a certificate for you to consider it organic?
     
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    Yes. That's the whole point.

    Wild game is a separate category of meat. I'm not saying it's not as healthy or something. I'm saying it's not organic simply because it doesn't fit the definition.

    And it's beside the point whether or not it is. You are trying to pit organic meat against wild game because I don't agree with hunting wild game. You are trying to get me to acknowledge that wild game is at least as good as organic meat.
    Well, I'm not going to. While wild game might actually be healthier to eat and had quite possibly a better life than live stock that qualifies for the organic label, it is beside the point. I am radically opposed to hunting for food because it takes from the natural environment. Also, it is simply not sustainable for the entire population. If a substantial part of the population would start hunting it's own food it would severely impact the ecosystems involved.
     
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  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    that's like saying you aren't really born unless you have a birth certificate
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    No, it's nothing like that. By the way, I added to my last post.
     
  10. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting.
    You have a rental unit that is host to plants that attract bees. When that works, your landlord decides to slaughter the very animals expected to be there.
     
  11. whynot Registered Senior Member

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    i never said you killed anyone, i said wishing harm to someone from protecting themselves it not all right.

    i also said when the wasps nest get too big they get sprayed.

    im also talking about those who get too comfortable with animals that could be life threating are putting themselves and others at risk. so yeah i can compair.

    i didn't have to have someone tell me to respect animals. i all ready do. but i felt you needed to be told.
     
  12. whynot Registered Senior Member

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    umm guys organic simply means no pesticides have been introduced. you can have pasterized cows that are organic or you can have them infected. it has to do with the nervious system and how the chemicals effect your off spring. possibly wild animals are not organic if they somehow manage to get infected by what they eat.
     
  13. whynot Registered Senior Member

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    im not in control of others kids. their ball flies over there they could be hurt. bumble bees do sting. i happen to be just walking by and got stung by one, so i know.
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't.
    And Orleander's post #101.

    Huh?
     
  15. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    We pasteurize the milk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

    The cows themselves are pastured. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pastured

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  16. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    it doesn't matter how an animal is born, raised, fed, or killed.
    it's still organic.

    "organic" in the context you are using it is a buzzword.
     
  17. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    The 'organic certification process' varies from region to region, or so I have been advised.

    Given that contaminants are found in the internal organs of wildlife and fish that are harvested in remote, sparsely populated regions, one has to wonder about the value of such certification.

    Pollutants are a valid concern that is beyond the scope of organic practice to address.

    Still, I support the more natural practices of organic growing and purchase organic apples and bananas when they are available.

    In the last year, I observe that the price of these two products has attained parity with the price of the conventionally produced varieties, made so by consumer demand for organic produce.
     
  18. Nobody Suspended Indefinitely Registered Senior Member

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    Well, Im half Inuit, and my family up North always make Caribou steaks, would they be considered organic?
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Your family or the caribou steaks?
     
  20. Nobody Suspended Indefinitely Registered Senior Member

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    ........................both.........Nah, the caribou
     
  21. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what is organic, but hunting is essential if properly regulated.

    I don't think I could kill deer but was glad many in Maryland where I lived could and did. If not thinned each year they will grow weak competing for food and destroy the crops that you want to eat. Bow hunters got a couple of weeks in advance of the main season. The state had recording stations where you had to take your killed deer. The duration of the season might be shortened or extended few days - A very well managed control and of course source of meat, perhaps more efficient and productive than beef as they lived in the woods not crop fields.
     
  22. MacGyver1968 Fixin' Shit that Ain't Broke Valued Senior Member

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  23. Enmos Staff Member

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    Excuse me?
     
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