Bullies in society

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by paddoboy, Mar 20, 2015.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    This video went viral in Australia, so possibly you may have seen it.
    Who do you support?
    What is the cure for bullying?
    Do you agree with the softly softly educating the bully approach?
    Or does the effect of aflicting the same pain on the bully as he did on his victim give better results?

     
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  3. river Valued Senior Member

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    To your last statement
    punch back

    Physical abuse is the cause of bulling
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You mean physical abuse is bullying.
    The little bloke got his just deserts.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    My first involvement with bullying was as a victim when I was about 10 years old? A craze was going round with all the kids re a free Coca Cola badge after so many returned bottles. I was one of the last to get mine and was wearing it with pride one day just when school was knocking off. The well known school bully happened to corner me asking for my badge, which I stubbornly refused to give over. He subsequently ripped it off my lapel and threw it on the church roof.
    All I had in my right hand was my Globite school case, which I in anger swung around and hit him with an almighty blow on the side of the face, grazing his skin in doing so and blackening his eye.
    At the same instant one of the Brother/teachers came out, grabbed us both by the scruff of the neck, took us into the class room, and dragged me into the office.....Asked me what had happened, which I told him, and he quickly patted me on the head, and told me to piss off home as quick as I could.
    The bully was given some medical attention, the his parents were phoned as they had been a few times before due to his behaviour.
    From memory, I don't believe that kid ever spoke to me or came near me again.
     
  8. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    That's right, knock the shit out of a bully and he forgets what made it so appealing..

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    Except, these days in the US you'd be charged with aggravated assault, and the little shit's family would sue.
     
  9. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    The big kid coud easily have paralized the little kid... if not worse... but if you'r gettin beat on... defend you'rself as best you can to make it stop.!!!

    As a "cure" for bullyin... inflictin pain will likely get immediate results compaired to a "softer" education... but prolly more likely to create a more damaged bully.!!!

    The "cure" begins at home from day one of the childs life... wit parents who dont bully ther kid... demonstrats what respect is... an it will rub off on the kid.!!!
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In contrast when my young bloke was four years old, and just after we moved into our new house, we were two or three doors from another family with a boy the same age as my Son, and two older brothers.
    After a while my Son would come inside after playing with their young one [ANDREW] always aaround the same time in the arvo after school and kinderarten had concluded.
    His Mother would comfort him and ask him what was wrong. He said that Andrew had hit him. This happened a few times and my Mrs would keep telling him to "turn the other cheek" more or less.
    It became obvious that the two older brothers were egging their little brother on to hit my young fellow.
    One afternoon, the same thing happened. This time I grabbed him before he could run to his Mum, and told him to go back and hit Andrew as hard as he could and the rubbish would stop.
    He did what I asked, and as I was hovering around outside, I also spoke to the two older brothers.
    To make a long story short, they were the best of mates for the rest of their childhood, and my Son was best man at Andrew's wedding.
    His parents and myself and my wife also often go to the club together where I have related the tale to both.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed...but not all parents are the same.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Yes... its a wonder that kids progress as well as they do.!!!
     
  13. river Valued Senior Member

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    Bullies are abused children
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In some cases, maybe. In other cases, they are just little arseholes who want to inflict pain on other people.
    In either case, its the victim that should get any priority benefit. The bully's considerations comes after that.
     
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  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And of course we have many "abused children" that do turn out OK, and we also have children that are raised with all the love and care any parents could muster, that still turn out to be bullies and worse.
     
  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    What do you thank the reason is that such kids turn out to be bullies an worse.???
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I remember a case in Sydney a few years ago, where an intruder into a home occupied by a 70 odd year old man, was killed by the old bloke after he had been threatened and punched.
    He ended up stabbing the intruder [just once] but enough to cause his death.
    He had to stand trial for manslaughter but was eventually aquitted of all charges.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Good question...Who knows? I certainly do not.
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Well i dont thank it hapens for no reason... an i suspect that such a child has been exposed to bad influences... what else coud it be.???
     
  20. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to see that fucking little shit try to bully anyone when he's confined to a wheelchair and being fed through a tube. That other kid should have crippled the bastard.
     
  21. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Not abused enough.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I pitched a guy over a schoolyard fence one time for being an asshole. At some point later on, I threw a guy into the fence so he'd hit the crossbar. I love bully-bashing.

    Anyway, now for the two cents: a lot of bullies are not bullied in the home, in my experience. I knew families in the hockey crowd who definitely did not bully their children, and their children were still, to use a colloquialism, evil. Now, there were also more than a few families that definitely were bullying their children, and to those children I say: too bad. You don't get to harass my kids because your dad's a bully. Instead, you get beatings - and that's what my kids do. Hell, the bullies might even learn from it. They might respect the kid for doing it. Fighting's part of our species, because our species is comprised of scum, largely. My second kid - the gentle giant - got in five fights or more at school this year, and when we walk around now he runs into kids that absolutely love him everywhere we go. Our simple rule is: don't start it, but end it.

    I'm sorry about those kids' histories, but: tough. It means nothing to my family.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    That video has been around for a while.

    Who do I support? Well obviously the victim of the bullying had had enough. What should be asked is how and why it was allowed to get to that point. Why isn't there a better system in place at the school to stop the bullying before it even reached this point, which could have resulted in that child being badly harmed and hurt by the victim. If he had come down on his neck, he could have been paralysed for life. And how would that victim have felt then? How would you feel if you had caused someone that kind of injury as a child and that that person would not be able to live their life to the fullest? Personally I'd feel like shit. You don't recover from stuff like that.

    What is the cure for bullying? I think it starts at home. If you teach your children that violence and mistreating others is acceptable, either by example or turning a blind eye to it or encouraging it, or if you ignore it happening at home between your own kids, then you are sending a bad message as a parent. And that message that violence and bullying is not acceptable has to continue outside of the home and into schools and sporting clubs and other extra-curricular activities the children may participate in.

    Do I agree with the softly softly approach to bullying? What exactly does that mean? How would you describe the softly approach?

    As for afflicting the same pain. Sure, it may make the victim feel better immediately. But what result does this give? Instilling fear in the bully? Okay. The bully might grab some friends and make life even worse for you or simply switch to bullying another child. Does it empower the victim and make them feel strong? Probably. But he has also instilled fear in other children. Is it good to have other kids afraid of you?

    I have two boys. One turns 10 this year and the youngest turns 8 in a few days. They have never once gotten into a fight. They have never been bullied. Well one tried with my eldest when he was in grade 2, and he did not respond violently when the older child came up to him and demanded his lunch. Embarrassed the bully a bit by making him look like an idiot and no one has ever tried to bully him since. And he kept his lunch. Not a punch was thrown because none needed to be thrown. Then again, my kids know that I do not tolerate or accept violence as the only answer, let alone as a form of lesson to another, even a bully.
     

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