Britian Capitulates to Islamic Intolerance

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  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    "If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes. Wilders, the Dutch member of parliament who had made an uncompromising stand against the Koranic sources of Islamist extremism and violence, was due to give a screening of Fitna, his film on this subject, at the House of Lords on Thursday. This meeting had been postponed after Lord Ahmed had previously threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak. To their credit, the Lords authorities had stood firm and said extra police would be drafted in to meet this threat and the Wilders meeting should go ahead.

    But now the government has announced that it is banning Wilders from the country. A letter from the Home Secretary’s office to Wilders, delivered via the British embassy in the Hague, said:

    ...the Secretary of State is of the view that your presence in the UK would pose a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat to one of the fundamental interests of society. The Secretary of State is satisfied that your statements about Muslims and their beliefs, as expressed in your film Fitna and elsewhere would threaten community harmony and therefore public security in the UK."

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/arts/3344161/britain-capitulates-to-terror.thtml

    "Geert Wilders, who leads the small Dutch Freedom Party, was due to show his controversial 17-minute film at an event in the House of Lords tomorrow, but was informed yesterday by British officials that he would not be allowed to enter the country. The decision sparked an immediate diplomatic row after the Dutch Government pressed Britain to reverse the ban."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-dutch-campaigner-against-islam-1606309.html



    The Free World has taken a huge step backwards by capitulating to Islamic intolerance. A sad day indeed.

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    "Just the other day, 28 Jan., there was a well written article by Johann Haris in the British Independent , "Why should I respect these oppressive religions?":

    The right to criticise religion is being slowly doused in acid. Across the world, the small, incremental gains made by secularism – giving us the space to doubt and question and make up our own minds – are being beaten back by belligerent demands that we "respect" religion. A historic marker has just been passed, showing how far we have been shoved. The UN rapporteur who is supposed to be the global guardian of free speech has had his job rewritten – to put him on the side of the religious censors."

    This article was republished in India just recently and led to some rioting, etc., etc. So Haris wrote another piece in the Huffington post,"Despite the Riots and Threats, I Stand By What I Wrote".

    "An Indian newspaper called The Statesman -- one of the oldest and most venerable dailies in the country -- thought this accorded with the rich Indian tradition of secularism, and reprinted the article. That night, four thousand Islamic fundamentalists began to riot outside their offices, calling for me, the editor, and the publisher to be arrested -- or worse. They brought Central Calcutta to a standstill. A typical supporter of the riots, Abdus Subhan, said he was "prepared to lay down his life, if necessary, to protect the honour of the Prophet" and I should be sent "to hell if he chooses not to respect any religion or religious symbol... He has no liberty to vilify or blaspheme any religion or its icons on grounds of freedom of speech."

    Then, two days ago, the editor and publisher were indeed arrested. They have been charged -- in the world's largest democracy, with a constitution supposedly guaranteeing a right to free speech -- with "deliberately acting with malicious intent to outrage religious feelings". I am told I too will be arrested if I go to Calcutta.

    What should an honest defender of free speech say in this position? Every word I wrote was true. I believe the right to openly discuss religion, and follow the facts wherever they lead us, is one of the most precious on earth -- especially in a democracy of a billion people rivven with streaks of fanaticism from a minority of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. So I cannot and will not apologize."
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Stuff gets banned in India all the time. You're free to speak, not free to offend. Even on this forum, people clamour about "hate speech" and open threads against "bigots", demanding repression of free expression. How is that any different?
     
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  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The answer is simple, YOU don't know the difference.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No I don't. Banning someone for expressing an opinion is the same to me regardless of who does it.
     
  8. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    There are no halfway houses for the religiously intoxicated, they go right to your front door. The Muslims do it with a lynch mob mentality.

    What century are they in?
     
  9. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    It's sad when the tiny, almost imperceptible, voices of the rational in a group (xians, muslims, etc) are completely overwhelmed by the roaring of the moronic mob (fundamentalist xians, muslims, etc). What's sadder is when you can't even identify the moronic mob for what it is. Since when do we need to give such respect to blatant idiocy? Oh, I forgot. It's religion we're talking about. Wouldn't want to hurt someone's feelings would we?
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    On this forum there is no free speech, there are rules. You're free to opine about an ideology, but not about people.
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    This is a huge win for the Islamic state. Why are the Brits just rolling over? Yellow, gutless, limp-wristed, panty wearers.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    "UK Muslim Lord Ahmed-dinejad Wants British Jews Arrested & Tried for War Crimes

    Britain's first muslim peer, Lord Ahmed, recently threatened the House of Lords with violent protests --- saying he would flood the streets of London with 10,000 saliva spewing hate filled muslim protesters --- if the House proceeded to show Dutch political leader, Geert Wilders, movie "Fitna" his threats caused the initial showing to be cancelled .

    Flushed with pride that he cowtowed the House of Lords, the malodorous Lord Ahmed immediately rushed and bragged about his victory to the Pakistani press and declared it a "victory for the muslim community". Lord Ahmed's posturing and boasting to the Pakistani press/people clearly shows he places more allegiance and importance on his Pakistan "constituency" than the British people."

    http://theopinionator.typepad.com/m...sh-lord-ahmeddinejad-wants-jews-arrested.html
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its amazing when people will be so blinded by their own ideology that they will support hatemongers like Geert Wilders.

    A man who wants to ban hijab and Quran and goes around making movies about people like him, is hardly the epitome of free expression.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You confuse the hijab and the Quran as something other than what they are, which to some may be viewed as symbols of oppression over people. Hating people has nothing to do with it.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If you get oppressed by what other people wear and believe perhaps you need to question your own judgement.

    Anyone who preaches intolerance is a dick, as far as I am concerned.
     
  16. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    What happens now? Does Geert go into hiding with a price put on his head a la Rushdie? Does Lord Ahmed continue to be protected by laws that allow him to incite violence?

    Ahhh...the peaceful Muslims. Thank God they're here.
     
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  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Shackles and leashes appear in various forms, as does slavery. If it is forbidden to question the very doctrine that enslaves, how can one ever escape it's slavery?

    Intolerance is just one's opinion, is it not? What one considers is intolerance, another considers it gospel. :shrug:
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Then consider if you would want your gospel banned. And what you propose should be done with anyone who advocated it with the vileness of Wilders.

    While he may not convince anyone to change their minds, he will generate enough poison to destabilise society.

    Ironically, he is the fitna he fears.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I would first have to consider why it should be banned rather than just totally dismissing the criticisms as heresy.

    Wilders is simply demonstrating the same extremism Muslims advocate whenever their "gospels" are threatened. You should find much in common with him, actually. :argue:
     
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    One could only hope.

    Yes. It is ironic, isn't it?

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  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Well, well, well, can't seem to get over that little hurdle, can we? :wallbang:
     

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