Breaking: dozens of UFOs swarm over Milwaukee

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by DaveC426913, Mar 2, 2018.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This video is everywhere. If you get a bad feed just try another link.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/we...ee-Fox-6-TV-station-Wisconsin-broadcast-video

    Note the quality of this incident:
    - no fakery here, the feed is live, provenance= 100%
    - actual news room, so not sketchy source
    - multiple witnesses
    - multiple targets, significant duration
    - extremely recent


    An excellent example of how banal things can appear exotic under the right conditions.

    If this hadn't been solved, it would surely have stood out for decades as one of the highest confidence sightings on record.

    And yet, it's not exotic.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    MR would have gone months on this

    You stole his thunder

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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    It's the planet Venus.

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  7. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    That's a new one

    A group of Venuses

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  8. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html
    How awful to find out a grossly incompetent NASA sent delusional crazies into space as among 'our best & finest'. Spaced-out fly-boys who couldn't figure that space seagulls can take various forms that in the right light can possibly seem like 'real UFO's'. Sad. Recruiting is hopefully much better these days.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't catch the reference you quoted at first.

    MR is saying mea culpa.

    Venus is often the culprit common mis-sightings. That's what he's tongue-in-cheek referring to.
    He believes that many sightings are passed off as totally mundane things.

    This video is, metaphorically, Venus - an excellent example of a very exciting sighting - that turns out to be a mundane thing that we all recognize in better context.

    In fact, we might call it 'The Venus Effect'. The tendency to witness mundane things that, in unexpected context, appear quite alien and mysterious.
     
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  10. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Got it

    You don't think there is a faint chance they could be alien seagulls?

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  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Where did I say that? Or are you making up shit about me again? I thought we discussed this..
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    They are alien seagulls _disguised_ as regular seagulls.
     
  13. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Ummmm perhaps

    he means it

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  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Do you speak for Dave now?
     
  15. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Noooooo. I expressed a proposition to him

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  16. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm...no bites re my link in #5. OK I'll add now that article is typical of a mixed bag of some truth and mostly BS. In particular the claimed gobsmacked commentary by Aldrin and Armstrong to the effect UFO's were there on the moon to greet their Apollo XI arrival. Fails if for no other reason than the Hollywood style exclamations are totally out of keeping with established comms protocol.
    The few personally confirmed accounts involve earlier encounters with UFO's where several to-be astronauts were airforce fighter and/or test pilots. Gordon Cooper, Donald Slayton, Robert White, Joseph A. Walker.
    One maybe space UFO encounter caught on audio comms involved James Lovell and Frank Borman during their 1965 Gemini mission - 'Bogey at 10'clock high....'.
     
  17. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    It's not one small step from "I don't know what that is" to first contact.
     
  18. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    It does look pretty cool.

    The chain of provenance does seem to be short. But I'm not sure that fakery is ruled out. Isn't fakery (albeit inadvertant and unintentional) the preferred mundane explanation for this? It's being attributed to a video artifact caused by photographing moving birds with a video camera with its shutter speed set below its frame rate (so as to better get night shots).

    Actually only one, the camera in question. Maybe lots of people were viewing the live feed, but it was a live feed from a single camera whose settings were arguably such as to cause weird trail-effects with moving objects.

    Note that this effect wouldn't have been visible to the naked eye. If anyone else besides the camera in question saw this, the preferred explanation collapses.

    True. I think that it happens a lot. Many/most ufo sightings are probably attributable to this. But probably not all of them.

    Of course, we don't seem to have conclusively established that the camera settings were indeed the explanation for this. It's just some guy expressing the opinion that they could have been. With 'debunkers', so-called "skeptics", that's often all we ever see. A might explain B, so A is the explanation for B.

    In the philosophy of science that's often called a just so story, an unverified proposed narrative explanation for something. In some interesting ways it's more akin to myth than to science. Others have argued that what are dismissed as 'just-so stories' are merely hypotheses, a necessary part of science. But that isn't exactly right, since the problem being criticized isn't hypothesizing, but rather reliance on a proposed hypothesis without further testing or verification, in simple confidence that it's the answer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story

    Maybe not if it's examined critically, since it's all coming from just a single source, a single camera.

    True. Again, I'll say that I think that this happens a lot, in many/most UFO cases. (I've seen a couple of apparent UFOs myself that subsequently resolved into mundane things seen under unfamiliar conditions.)

    But once again, this kind of episode doesn't really justify the conclusion that all UFO reports can be dismissed as easily. I fear that's the conclusion that Sciforums' less intelligent participants will draw from a thread like this.

    There are UFO episodes (such as that 2004 San Diego event) that were observed by multiple trained eye witnesses from multiple directions, recorded on cameras in multiple wavelengths (IR and visible) and simultaneously observed on radar. A single instrument set to the wrong setting wouldn't explain something like that.
     
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  19. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    And yet that event isn't considered proof of alien visitation.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. This was just a really cool example.

    Agree. But the door swings both ways. Especially here on SciFo.
     
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  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like that's already happened.
     
  22. Jamie Lee Registered Member

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    I mean I feel like these could definitely just be a swarm of drones.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds a little too elaborate to set up. Think I'll go with Dave's glowing seagull theory for now.
     
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