Black Holes & Dark Energy a few thoughts

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by RainbowSingularity, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    Soo... we know that most of matter is very empty.
    atoms(electrons etc to be more precise) have a lot of space between them.
    thus all things comprising of stuff are spongy(per say) in make-up. they contain a great deal more empty space being occupied by moving things.
    Given that matter does come out of Black Holes(stuff comes out which kinda loosely maintains scientific known laws). and... the edge(& more soo centre) of the black hole is unknown as a mechanism of how it works and in what way gravity processes through the event horizon as it pulls matter toward it.
    (i realise i am glazing over many things, i am doing this to get to my thought which i would like people to discuss)
    ... i was pondering the concept of gravity having a potential zero value at the centre of the black hole.
    it occurred to me that if matter is simply compressed so all the space between the atoms is removed then does this help to suggest a potential for the massive amount of gravity beng held as the matter its self is still there. thus the gravity(doesn't break known laws)...
    soo as a passing laymen thought is there some type of action that occurs that instead of infinite compression(as it seems that many suggest there is no such things as infinite...)
    there is something else at play which simply by some type of action, removes the space between atoms ?

    Gravity being maybe some type of by product and conjoint attribute(matter has gravity/mass has gravity) however, the black hole inverts some type of atomic bond process that simply compresses matter allowing gravity to not need what is said to be impossible "infinite gravity and a zero sum at the centre...
    if the centre were something else... what i have no idea.
    i am using occam's razor in basic form to outline the probable need to look at some type of other action happening to allow various laws not to be broken.

    please discus freely
    basic question how does the centre of a black hole work ?
    and
    is there some type of special event that happens in a collapsing star that creates this special thing which may not only be a black hole but some type of special black hole ?
     
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  3. river

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    I will say this ;

    Dark Energy is form of kinetic energy that is Plasma based . Electrons and protons circling in spiral dynamic .

    Moving in curved , rotating action , in a forward direction . From all directions in space .

    Black Holes will never exist .
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The "space" you refer to, between electrons and nuclei in atoms, is removed already in a neutron star. These are objects with too little mass to become black holes.
     
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  7. river

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    Why is " space " and/or how is " space " , removed between electrons and the nuclei , in a neutron star ?

    What is the mechanism ?
     
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  8. globali Registered Senior Member

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    I thought they took a picture of a black hole
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i am not sure what river means by that statement.
    i personally believe mainstream science have positively identified a concept of phenomena that is known as a black hole to be a real thing.
    all be that thing not understood, it is still a thing.
     
  10. river

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    They did apparently .

    But there is no energy emanating from this picture of a BB .

    And nothing is being drawn into it .
     
  11. globali Registered Senior Member

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    so it was a black hole or not?
     
  12. river

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    Not so far , that I see .
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    BH's were actually scientifically verified before the photo from the EHT. By the very definition of a BH, they cannot be seen or photographed and this was not actually a photo of a BH per se, but a photo of its shadow. Still incredible technological achievement and further evidence for BH's. The so far around 14 or 15 [I;ve lost count] of gravitational wave discoveries that precisely align with the templates of colliding BH's was previous confirmation of BH's and is also evidence of that. Also of course the many previous observations of stellar motions around "nothing that could be seen" showed the probability of what we now call BH's but formally known as "gravitationally completely collapsed objects"
    The first of these discoveries was an object called "Cygnus X1"
    BH's are formed from the gravitational collapse of very large stars. Stars such as our Sun are not big enough to become BH's and will end its life as a White Dwarf...that is a stellar remnant held up from further collapse by EDP or "Electron Degeneracy Pressure"
    Bigger stars do collapse further under gravity and are large enough to surpass the EDP and end up as Neutron stars and Pulsars. They are held up from further collapse by NDP or "Neutron Degeneracy Pressure",
    Stars that are even bigger can overcome the NDP and these are the ones that end up as BH's. That;s the science behind it and what aligns with observational data, and GR.
    ps: The singularity that is spoken of at the core of BH's is only a singularity as defined where GR breaks down at the quantum/Planck level. Scientists do not accept the concept of a singularity as defined by infinite spacetime curvature and infinite density. Which tells us that while we can never really know anything about what lies on the other side of a BH's EH, it can be reasonable to assume a surface of sorts at or just below the quantum/Planck level.
     
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  14. globali Registered Senior Member

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    what kind of evidence would convince you that you are wrong? hypothetically speaking
     
  15. river

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    What is " Neutron DegeneracyPressure"? pad .
     
  16. river

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    That gravity waves move inward towards the source . Not outward from the source .

    Gravity waves have a certain frequency which emanates from the source .
     
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  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Ahaa! I see who you are talking with. I have him on ignore for obvious reasons. The answer anyway is nothing. He always chooses to wallow in ignorance.
    The thing regarding BH's and the "provisional"aspect of all scientific theories, unless and until something better comes along, if per chance BH's did not exist, then something far more mysterious and awe inspiring would be needed to explain what we observe and to take its place. But the observational evidence for their existence is now overwhelmingly strong.
     
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  18. river

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    Far more mysterious . Indeed .

    What would be interesting is Telescopes focused on this " black hole " centre for very long periods of time .

    Why ?

    To see if light energy is detected .

    Gravity waves emanates from the source pad .

    Therefore these waves we caĺl gravity waves are something else altogether .

    These waves don't attract .
     
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  19. globali Registered Senior Member

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    lol!
    what was in that picture river? why did it look like a ring?
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    mathematically does not the missing data represent a value ?
     
  21. river

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    Because both spheres of energy circle each other .

    On different latitudes .
     
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  22. river

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    What missing data .
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Bet you a schooner of beer you got gibberish for an answer!

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