Black Crime

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by alexb123, Aug 29, 2005.

  1. sniffy Banned Banned

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    Lucy snow
    All that go forth and help yourself stuff I know already. Living it! I've been around for a long time and I can remember, the rest I study with interest! The NGOs, the charities, the dependancy. Yes the solutions to many problems do come from within but the white man has got to get his superiority complex under control! Racism exists despite your apparent (snow)blindness to it and it damages both the recipient and the perpetrator by dehumanising both. We may never be rid of it altogether but to give up trying - over my dead body (probably).

    The US the land of self-sufficiency (laughing). Whoa that's the best I ever did hear. Do you wanna ponder for a minute just how they got to be so "self sufficient"? Does the influx of labour from 'third' world have anything at all to do with that? Or chucking a few million self sufficient Native Americans off their oil rich, fertile lands? Take you bleedin blinkers off!

    As for desegregation? Wasn't it always on the white man's terms, within the white man's set of priorities? Let a few black kids into the schools and up to the soda fountain. Read that bit about the 1920s and black property ownership again. When the white people thought the black people were getting too close - they pulled the plug because they held the financial strings. So much for 'self help' huh? It only goes so far.

    Also if you take a closer look at the system we all toiling under you will understand that it needs to keep a large pool of people low down and dirty in order to fulfil the demands for a flexible workforce - casual labour, exploitable 'illegal' immigrant labour; without all this the system would collapse. There will never be full employment within a capitalist system. Period. All the self help in the world will not provide unless of course people have full access to finance, land, infrastructure.

    Oh and your comments about Katrina criminality. 200 arrests from 250 000 + stranded, thirsty, hungry and suffering people?

    And those nasty black people singing about violence and nastiness and all. Well hell who do you think is listening to it and finding it so 'cool'. Suburban white youths trying to buy a piece of the street! And have you noticed how rich these gangsta guys are getting and buying themselves some control. OOh scary ain't it? They have taken what the white man fears the most "a nigga witha gun" and made it into a billion dollar industry. How's that for self sufficiency? Branching out now into clothing lines, perfume, property, finance...

    And the only way to get rid of the ghetto is to leave it. And maybe move next door to JB......

    Solutions there are plenty but are you really interested?
     
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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Duendy:

    Take your gibberish elsewhere
     
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  5. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Sniffy: ...Yes the solutions to many problems do come from within but the white man has got to get his superiority complex under control! Racism exists despite your apparent (snow)blindness to it and it damages both the recipient and the perpetrator by dehumanising both. We may never be rid of it altogether but to give up trying - over my dead body (probably).

    But I am not blind. If you read my posts you would see that I DO see all sorts of persecution based on all kinds of criteria. yOU WERE THE ONE STATING CONFLICT ISN'T AS BAD AS IT USED TO BE! Remember? This is a discussion, hopefully we can gain some clarity, I am not saying 'give up', I am saying that one isn't going to reform the racist one can either work it out in their communitites or within themselves but we must acknowledge that we are far away from the ideal you previously mentioned. To change institutionalized racism or systems requires using power against power. Is it only the white man who suffers from a superiority complex? If so how are you going to change their 'disposition'? You make it sound as if this superiority complex is innate to whiteness. Wouldn't you say that also can be construed as racist? What do suggest gene therapy? Re-education? What?

    Sniffy: The US the land of self-sufficiency (laughing). Whoa that's the best I ever did hear. Do you wanna ponder for a minute just how they got to be so "self sufficient"? Does the influx of labour from 'third' world have anything at all to do with that? Or chucking a few million self sufficient Native Americans off their oil rich, fertile lands? Take you bleedin blinkers off!

    Just because you don't like a particular fact doesn't make it any less true.
    Yes self-sufficiency, just take a look at the structure of the economy. American ideology, or the values that built the country, are rooted in individualism, minimal government interference, free markets and yes populace self-sufficiency. The US has always been hostile towards anything hinting towards collectivism, socialism/communism. Now you may not think this is a good thing but it's a fact. Its for this reason the tax system favors those who run their own business as opposed to the wage earner. The ideals were libertarian. Early immigrants were largely autonomous and quickly learned to prosper (or not) within that system. Now if you were referring to the slave trade Europe is just as guilty but most do not have this severe individualism running through their societies so there is no correlation there. Just because a country has adopted a certain set of values doesn't mean that they also don't do bad things Sniffy. Yes they killed the Indians, the Danes killed off Inuits and took their land, the English scurried around the globe hoping the sun would never set grabbing whatever they could, the palestinians were shafted, the Tibetans ran from their land to spare their lives and heritage, and what about those Kurds (where is Kurdistan anyway?) not to mention the Jews and Armenians...should we go on? Do you hold the whole globe accountable? You should.

    Sniffy: As for desegregation? Wasn't it always on the white man's terms, within the white man's set of priorities? Let a few black kids into the schools and up to the soda fountain.

    The busing went both ways. If it were up to many blacks there would have been no busing just better schools in their community. Many years down the road many came to see that busing did not insure a better or equal opportunity for their children.

    Sniffy: Read that bit about the 1920s and black property ownership again. When the white people thought the black people were getting too close - they pulled the plug because they held the financial strings. So much for 'self help' huh? It only goes so far.

    You read it again. The banks had to sell the properties at plunged prices and blacks continued to own property in Harlem as well as other cities and towns. Its a myth that Blacks cannot control their own communities...even within the context of racism it just means harder work. What would you propose scolding white business men? Send them to bed without their ovaltine?

    Sniffy: Also if you take a closer look at the system we all toiling under you will understand that it needs to keep a large pool of people low down and dirty in order to fulfil the demands for a flexible workforce - casual labour, exploitable 'illegal' immigrant labour; without all this the system would collapse.

    I agree.

    Sniffy: There will never be full employment within a capitalist system. Period. All the self help in the world will not provide unless of course people have full access to finance, land, infrastructure.

    There will never be full employment under any system unless you introduce communism but that may not bring populace satisfaction. Many socialist systems are ready to collapse themselves as they head towards bankruptcy under the weight of their social welfare programs. How do you provide 'full access' to land? Chavez and Castro began by taking it away from large landholders and redistributing it to the poor...alas that pissed off many who rightfully inherited or purchased their properties.
    How do you provide full access to infrastructure and finance? Thaksinomics?

    Sniffy: Oh and your comments about Katrina criminality. 200 arrests from 250 000 + stranded, thirsty, hungry and suffering people?

    And you should have read my response. Yes the government should have done something...but they didn't. That still doesn't excuse the looters, rapists, etc.

    Sniffy: And those nasty black people singing about violence and nastiness and all. Well hell who do you think is listening to it and finding it so 'cool'. Suburban white youths trying to buy a piece of the street! And have you noticed how rich these gangsta guys are getting and buying themselves some control. OOh scary ain't it? They have taken what the white man fears the most "a nigga witha gun" and made it into a billion dollar industry. How's that for self sufficiency? Branching out now into clothing lines, perfume, property, finance...

    Actually I disagree I don't think 'white men' fear 'a nigga witha gun' I think it confirms their negative stereotypes. Yes they are wealthy looking like idiots in front of a camera...jesus they're practically mimicking peacock minstrels (Have you ever seen Spike Lee's Bamboozled?). Yes they are rich and some do pour money back into their communities but that doesn't mean they are not prostituting themselves by representing the WORST VALUES. What is it that you think Tupac was cool?

    Sniffy: Solutions there are plenty but are you really interested?

    Well spit it out Sniffy! I have been asking you over and over EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOUR SOLUTIONS AND HOW WOULD THEY BE IMPLEMENTED?

    ..."Many African Americans coped with the virulent racism of their lives by attempting to appease whites as much as possible and by avoiding them whenever possible. The story of Isaiah Montgomery of Mississippi is a fascinating case in point. He was the prosperous son of Benjamin Montgomery, the once favorite slave of Jefferson Davis' brother, Joseph Davis. In the Reconstruction era, Montgomery's father tried to establish a communal colony of former Davis slaves on a bend in the Mississippi river, known as Davis Bend. After his father's death and the failure of the Davis Bend Colony, Montgomery lived as a prosperous merchant and a "fusion" politician in Vicksburg, meaning that he enjoyed the support of white Democrats because he did not overtly challenge the customs of white superiority.

    In 1888, he established a colony of black farmers in the Yazoo Delta, on land purchased at bargain prices from a railroad company building a new line from Memphis to Vicksburg. He named the town Mound Bayou, because of the large Indian burial mound nearby, and the community of over 800 black families prospered for over 30 years as an isolated black community. Montgomery based his town on the idea that African Americans could only prosper in the Jim Crow South if they isolated completely from the white world. He argued that blacks needed to concentrate on economic self-sufficiency rather than social or political equality with whites. The town included black-owned banks, stores, newspapers, mills, restaurants, and a black college modeled after Tuskegee Institute, the black normal and agricultural school founded by Booker T. Washington. In all things related to whites, Montgomery advocated appeasement and isolation. For over 40 years, elected black mayors, black sheriffs, and black local officials governed this all-black community in the Yazoo Delta of Mississippi."

    And this was during Jim Crow.

    Yes there is a sob story but why is this your only focus? Are gangsta rappers your perceived role models for African-americans? Your success stories? I mean is that it? Or do you have a benefit in telling half a story? The tale of victimization? Woe is me! Woe is me! African americans have a long history of working within and around a hostile racist environment. Don't sully it by solely focusing only the 'white mans yoke' argument! This history of black self-sufficiency DURING THE HEAT OF UNRESTRICTED RACIST LAWS should be a source of pride and tradition!
     
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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    yeahhhh bitch. bet ye'd lurve to cenor me wouldn't you. thay way your gibbersh could run for miles and miles to nowfukinwhere

    tell u this. i'd sooner have thelikes of Bmax and J/b than your kind of racist type anyukingday
     
  8. sniffy Banned Banned

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    In all things related to whites, Montgomery advocated appeasement and isolation. For over 40 years, elected black mayors, black sheriffs, and black local officials governed this all-black community in the Yazoo Delta of Mississippi."

    and what happened to this yazoo community c'mon spit it out
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Sniffy, what are your solutions? You say, "Solutions there are plenty but are you really interested?" I'd love to read all about it.

    Baron Max
     
  10. J.B Banned Banned

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    Nice ebonics, Bro
     
  11. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    whats ebonics??
     
  12. J.B Banned Banned

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    In a decision that touches on explosive educational and racial issues, the Oakland, Calif., school board officially declared Wednesday that many of its 28,000 black students did not speak standard English, but a distinctive language spoken by American blacks.
    http://mbhs.bergtraum.k12.ny.us/cybereng/nyt/12-20-02.htm

    Hey, look at me I'm helping a negro to learn about his own people.
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That was wednesday, December 20, 1996.
     
  14. J.B Banned Banned

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    OOOO NO, spidey

    duendy provides much proof that ebonics is alive and well in the black community.

    Ain't dat's B rite duendy.
     
  15. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it is a different language, albiet in it's infancy. The thrust of that article was that teachers should not make blacks feel bad about their dialect, but rather acknowledge that they have a different culture, but that they should also learn standard english as well.

    Language isn't a fixed thing you know, blacks specifically are very creative with it, something that should be appreciated.
     
  16. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    Another thing that should be appreciated. Whites' disgust with white-racists. White-racists. White niggers.
     
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  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Why am I just so sure that IBM, Ford Motor Company and Exxon-Mobile are going to use a knowledge of eubonics as a deciding factor in hiring a black for their engineering departments?

    Don't ya' think that they should learn English FIRST, so they can get a fuckin' job?? And we wonder why the poverty and jobless rate is so high in black neighborhoods?? ...but I suppose y'all have a good excuse for that, too, right? ...."The white man made us do it!" ....LOL!

    Baron Max
     
  18. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    Why doesn't it surprise me when you are so out of touch that you can't even spell "ebonics?" Why should those crappy companies give a shit about an american, when they have an Indian or a Chinese willing to do the same job for much less? You think this affects only the blacks and the hispanics, and not the whites? You are so out of touch with reality, you white supremacist of christ.
    Who's to say you and your "english" are superior? Only fucks like you.

    Only morons wonder about this.

    You're gonna be "supposedly" "laughing" into your grave, old bigot. Get a breath of fresh air, you old faggot. You just like young white meat, huh?

    Is this a bannable offense? Against the white supremacist fuck? I couldn't care less. Ban me.
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Baron Max:

    They already speak English, Baron. Do you think Texan English is a better form of English than, say, the English of Harlem? If so, why?
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Cottontop3000 has been banned for 1 week, following repeated warnings.
     
  21. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    Your repeated attempts at humiliating blacks leads me to believe that you are a racist.

    Remember people, gang culture is inferior, but no race is.
     
  22. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    of course he is, and showsit...yet, it is Cottontop3000 who gets banned.

    TYPICAL!
     
  23. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Sniffy: In all things related to whites, Montgomery advocated appeasement and isolation. For over 40 years, elected black mayors, black sheriffs, and black local officials governed this all-black community in the Yazoo Delta of Mississippi."

    and what happened to this yazoo community c'mon spit it out

    Read and research it for yourself. You can start with this if you like

    http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/surviving2.htm

    But as usual you don't have anything to suggest or offer and you don't even answer the questions posed to you. The only thing you have to offer is hand wringing, finger pointing, complaining and the woe is me victim psychological stance. Oh well fuck it. If afro americans cannot be self-sufficient, do not have an answer to racism, do not have strategies for approaching power or hostility then I guess they will have to remain the way they are and suffer the fate of the dodo bird.

    You are impotent and glorify others as long as they remain just as impotent. You brand 'the other' as racist without ever addressing your own indulgence, I am referring to the 'everything being the white man's fault' line of reasoning, as well as look at those poor black people over there who are ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS-in your mind anyway-to help themselves. If some objective observer has been reading this thread it is plainly obvious why the world is exactly as it is and will remain so for a long time.

    ...Anyone want to start a discussion on eugenics?
     
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