Black Americans should be pissed!

Discussion in 'History' started by thefountainhed, Aug 20, 2004.

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  1. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Let me make this simple for you. To purple children are born. Both are poor.

    1) One is poor because his grandparents (and therefore parents) didn't have enough money to get educated.
    2) One is poor because his grandparents were robbed and therefore his parents were poor.

    Does number 2 deserve benefits that number 1 does not? Why?
     
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  3. Graphic Griffin Registered Member

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    Ok i'm not a racist (Racism: product of inferior Breeding) but how come it is when a black person calls us Cracker, every body thinks thats friggin halarious, but we say nigger and all hell breaks loose, now your a racist bastard.
     
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  5. blackmonkeystatue Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    It is the history behind it. When blacks were enslaved, when they had no rights, when they couldn't vote etc they weren't people, they were niggers. Sometimes they are still referred to as niggers. You're not a man, you're a nigger, and you’re less than human. That's all you are, that's all you'll ever be. Think about it in that context, its true context.

    The 'nigga' term is meant to be endearing. It is also lessens the pain in the mind...forgot how someone explained it once. By my white friends use it now, referring to eachother as 'niggas' or 'my nigga'. There is a difference between the two. Wish I could explain it better.

    Cracker was derived from "whip cracker". Think about that. Which would you rather be called? At least if you're a cracker you're still human, you're still worth something. It just doesn't have the history, the meaning behind it. It is usually used in jest, I mostly see comedians (most white) use it in jokes etc. Why? Because it doesn't mean much. That is the difference.

    And all this shit about racism etc. It's stupid, but it does mean something. People will carry it for a long time to come because people will feel its effects for a long time to come. Hell, we just had someone burn a Jewish Synagogue here that week, what the fuck is up with that? The Jewish thing is still pretty big. In fact, that's why the U.S. backs Israel so strongly. 1. Because at the political level the US feels that Jews have been persecuted over the years (holocaust, history, et al.) and 2. Because it's the closest thing to Democracy in that region. Effects of such racial history will be felt for generations. As long as blacks are still referred to as niggers and reminded of the past, they'll continue to remind us of what we did to them. As long as Jews are discriminated against, Synagogues burned etc, they'll remind us of what we've done to them. One side won't let go until the other does, ring around the rosie... This could go for other racially persecuted groups.
     
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  7. FreeMason Registered Senior Member

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    Your knowledge of Slavery and the War for Southern Independence are about as indepth and intricate as my knowledge of how fat your mother may be.

    I suggest you learn history, before spouting crap. For your information, 90,000 Blacks served side-by-side with Whites in the Confederacy (not in segregated units like in the Federal Army), and these Blacks were paid equally as Whites of their rank (again unlike their Federal counter-parts).
     
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  8. FreeMason Registered Senior Member

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    Blackmonkeystatue, that's untrue. Blacks in the South were human beings, they were religious inspired, care-takers of children of their "evil racist over-lords" and skilled artisans who worked with Stone, mortar, metal and wood (carpentry). They were not brutalized like pigs, as Northern Abolitionists (none of whom ever lived in the Deep South, even Frederick Douglas was from Maryland) have suggested.
     
  9. blackmonkeystatue Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    I find that statement to be absurd FreeMason. While some (read: few) blacks may have had the life you mentioned, it was certainly not all, as you seem to be implying. That is ridiculous. As if blacks fled to the north on their own and via the Underground Railroad not to escape slavery/brutality/whatever else, but to find better markets to sell their crafts *rolls eyes*. That is an elementary example, but it seems necessary. By your response, you seem to be in strong denial...

    And just FYI, they were generally regarded as less that human. You generally do not dehumanize a group of people you consider to be your equals. Hell, even when my father was growing up (1940's and 1950's in rural Texas) blacks weren't generally treated well, to put it lightly... (please note the sarcasm) And this was some 70 years after slavery ended.

    Right, they were human beings. You ever see a white man whip another white man? Turn dogs on a crowd of white men and laugh? Hang (or more appropriately, lynch) white men simply on the word of a white women?

    Does back of the bus, separate but equal, NO NIGGERS, etc mean anything to you? That kind of shit was still common half way through the 20th century. Do you really think things have gotten WORSE since slavery ended almost 100 years earlier? Honestly...

    And yeah FreeMason, all of the black in south were care-takers and carpenters and craftsman etc., uh-huh. Right...and all that cotton picked itself.
     
  10. FreeMason Registered Senior Member

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    I have seen white men whip other white men, it occurs in traditional households all the time. And in case you hadn't noticed, the largest Slave Trade in the world today is that of White Women from East Europe for the Pornography industry (or did you think they wanted to be sluts to make money?)

    What occurred after the Reconstruction Era, was a result of Federal policies, not of some "animosity" in the pre-war South, no liturature of that era suggests such except a few wildcats who were as propogating to maintain slavery as their counter-parts were to abolish it.

    If Slaves were so brutalized, then when they had such a chance at freedom, they would have taken it, such as Thomas Jackson's slave, why didn't he just kill Jackson in his bed and run off hoping to make it to the "Promised land"?

    Why didn't Slaves kill women and children in their sleep like the Natives did during the Revolutionary war (encouraged by the British), when they had a chance? (Maybe partially due to militias, but even in part?)

    The Apartheid regime, received a logical response, the response that was given by the Blacks in the South, does not match the conditions they are purported to have suffered.

    However, when segregation did become a far more deep rooted and hated concern being enforced more and more feverishly towards the mid-1900s, the responses again became more logical, until that system was brought down.

    Not all slaves were treated well, some rebelled, but many were not treated brutally, this is simply evident by the response of the enslaved.

    Look at it at an economical view point if you must, if you own a Porche, and it's not working well, you're not going to beat the crap out of it unless you're an irrational person with some issues.

    Like-wise, some irrational people with issues would beat their slaves when they didn't work well, but more commonly then not, they'd train them to work well at a young age, as they would their own children, by whipping them.

    The media then is no better than today's, they report the worst, and that's all that remains if no other reports are given, and none were. There's no telling how far and wide-spread the abuses were, but it does not seem to be rampant, considering the responses of the peoples at the time.
     
  11. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    I dont understand the meaning of this thread!...

    I mean i thought Racist culture was over by now! Grow up from it guys!...We all are HUMANS!
     
  12. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    No, thats not good enough.
    I believe the government should issue special pensions to black people, known as "nigger cheques", they would be delivered weekly in a big black box to all afro-american families. Also in the box would be a large hamper of food and a sacrificial white child for them to use at their own leisure.
     
  13. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmmm lets see, who's had it worse.....
    Blacks?? (Slavery reallys sucked!) or American Indians (Damn! I sure wish I was alive!)

    How many Indians do you know?? I know plenty of Whites, Mexicans, Asians, and Blacks, but good luck trying to find an Indian.

    So stop your @%@#% bitching before I start a "Lets Give all our Land Back to the Indians because they own it" Movement.

    People bitch about being poor. Have you ever been to a Reservation??

    So please complain all you want about Slavery (and at the same time forget to mention that the Indians were used as Slaves) and all I have to say is: Smallpox.
     
  14. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    can we not see PEOPLEs suffering as suffering. doing this doesn't set one group of suffering against another--if you know what i mean. for example there has been clashes between Jews and blacks. yet both have suffered.....Slavery....Holocaust. But we also have hite people. people of the land where the land was ripped from them, where they werer then herded into towns and made to work all hours for the elite
    What was done and is done to Native Americans is evil. Many have to live on top of the toxic shit of the great white scientific age they all rave about!

    but if all the sufferers of this oppression got togther instead of arguing whose suffering most, then the REAL oppressor could be seriously challenged. i dont mean in yet another bloody way, but in open speaking out about ongoing oppression
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    Ah got to love that denial.

    Next I guess you're going to say that their trips to the US from Africa were in luxury cruise liners and the chains that bound them were really expensive jewellery given to them as gestures of good will.

    Of course, all human beings are traded like goods. All human beings are forced into Christianity and forced to be given good Christian names. Not to mention that all human beings are forced into unpaid labour. Let me guess. They were paid in that they received free room and board? Hmmm.. How lovely. To be taken by force from your home, family, country and placed on ships, taken to another country, beaten, demoralized, chained, bought and sold like one sells cattle, forced to work for nothing, and if they were lucky enough, they might even be killed for daring to disobey or not do as Masta wished.. Good grief! Sounds like a holiday.

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    And of course they weren't brutalized like pigs. Pigs aren't whipped into submission, because to do so would ruin that leg of pork that one had planned for dinner.

    Yes they were human beings, hence why I guess retreating into denial of history makes you sleep so much better at night. Keep telling yourself that they were seen as equal during the times of slavery. Hell, you probably don't even think they were slaves, just a few lucky bastards who made it over to the land of the free (if you were white)... What ever makes you feel better. Hell, African Americans were so equal, they weren't even allowed to sit in the front of the bus in many States in the 50's. You can get on the bus, you just can't sit in front of the sign that says For Negroes.. Now that's what I call equality and treating them like human beings.

    Could it be because they knew that if they did, they'd be killed themselves? Could it be that if they killed Jackson and run off hoping to make it to the promised land, they'd be captured and slaughtered themselves?

    To serve what purpose? To escape through the means of their own death? Could you be more naive? Let me give you some information of what happened to slaves who did try and fight back against their masters:

    1739 South Carolina Twenty slaves grouped together near the Stono River and went on a rampage against white businesses and white slave owners. They had killed around 60 white people before the local militia put an end to it and executed all of them.

    1811 New Orleans 500 hundred slaves decided to fight back at a sugar plantation. They destroyed many plantations and businesses, killing many whites, until the military and the militia, killing around 99 or so of the slaves, after which the heads of the dead slaves were put on posts along the Mississippi River to let the slaves know of the punishment that will befall them if they dared fight back.

    1831 Southampton Of course who can forget Nat Turner, the slave who led the Southampton Insurrection. He led around 60 other slaves, in killing their white master and his family. They then went on a revolt, killing every white man, woman and child they came across. After killing 55 white folk, the revolt was crushed by the military. 13 slaves and 3 free slaves were hanged. Turner had managed to escape but was later captured and hanged. But that was not enough. The military, so fearful of any futher revolts by the slaves, went on a killing spree of their own, killing several hundred slaves as punishment for Turner's uprising against his white master.

    One would think that being killed and having your head mounted on a post as punishment for rebelling would amount to brutal treatment. But I guess not every person's view of brutality is the same...

    No. Because the car is a luxury item that will not work for free to make you wealthy. A slave on the other hand could be traded like cattle. If a slave broke, one didn't fix him/her, one just replaced, usually after having killed him/her. The replacement cost of a slave was much cheaper than the replacement cost of a porsche. Funny that huh?

    And here you were, saying they weren't brutalised..

    Yes, they too were treated like fellow human beings and given aid in the form of food and blankets. Lets just forget the fact that the unwashed blankets came from hospitals where people were treated for small pox..

    American Indians were treated as badly, if not worse than African Americans. You're absolutely correct.
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Look at the problem from this side: If you kill all the afroamericans then there won't be any more racism towards them.
    No human - no problem. (Stalin)
    It actually might be a good plan, and you'll have many free places at the job market.
     
  17. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Or, we can kill off all whites and allow blacks to live as they please.

    Sir Avatar, what on earth is your problem with afroamerikans? You never encounter them; you have no clue what they're like.
     
  18. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Sister whitewolf, don't forget your duty and loyality to KKK!!
     
  19. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    I have no loyalties or duties besides those to my dear beloved self.
    Answer the question. I wish to settle this whole Black issue with you once and for all. We'll handle Africans, as well.
     
  20. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Bells, have you ever considered calming down, smoking a joint, and realizing that oppression is really, really funny?
     
  21. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have a problem, it appears that some people in the USA have, I proposed a solution.
    What's wrong with that?
    It's a very good solution.

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    Of course most won't like it because of the bad PR.
     
  22. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    There is no problem. Put your solutions elsewhere. (Does that sound familiar?)
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I just return the pleasure, besides
    that's just in case nobody there thinks of this solution. Americans, you know..

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