Bitter Angry People

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by KalvinB, Dec 20, 2001.

  1. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Bitter Angry People Whining
    Meet me in town square
    People People
    Toss em to the ground
    Hate me hate me
    Try to take me down
    Bitter Bitter
    Turn it upside down
    Where to tombstones are
    Graves is what you'll find

    Bitter Angry People Hating All
    Bitter Angry People Fighting

    Everyone around hate them, hate them
    Hit them in the head
    Shove em shove em
    It will stop when you die
    Anger anger
    Put it in your mind
    Where the tombstones are
    Graves is what you'll find

    Bitter Angry People Hating all
    Bitter Angry People dying

    12-20-2001

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  3. Rambler Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    I assume you wrote that..........

    May I suggest a title change to:

    Christains

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    fits well with the theme of the poem.
     
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  5. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    <----------- at a loss for words
     
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  7. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    okay, found them....


    does anyone else think that reads like something written by a high schooler plotting to massacre his cafeteria?
     
  8. Carrington Registered Member

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    Gee Kalvin, you sound a bit bitter and angry there...

    What's the matter? Drop your bible on your foot?

    Merry Christmas...

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  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Priorities

    Quite the topic post; I'd say it's an excellent testament to the human condition beneath the burden of religion. On the one hand, it would be unfair to simply point out that it's another Christian focused on violence and retribution. To the other, it seems fair enough to simply note that, as an artistic expression, I see no alternatives to violence; it would seem that hate and violence is the only response available to the Christian conscience. Of course, that's just a conceptual extrapolation of the artistic merit of the piece, but without the artistic sheen, it seems a mere glorification of human strife.

    thanx,
    Tiassa

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  10. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Tiassa:

    It's nice how you continually project everything onto Christianity even if it's actually talking about "Bitter Angry People" and not "Bitter Angry Christians."

    I thought it was a pretty universal concept. I came up with the idea because of the overwhemling bitter tones comming from this forum from all sides.

    Ben
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Then don't bring it here, KalvinB

    If we missed that dimension of the artistic statement, KalvinB, it's because we didn't expect it of you. Surprise and shame to those of us who thought that, then.

    But I do find it ironic that you would note such behavior. After all,
    Understand, KalvinB, while I'm all in agreement with at least one interpretation of your statement, and I think it's fair. (I agree that there's a ton of frustration and disrespect flying around here.) But take a look at the central fights: most of them right now center around Tony1, and his defenders. There was a time when this wasn't the prevailing way around here, but the hostility thickened with his rise, and exploded into its current conflagration only recently.

    So if the title of this post seems a little blunt, well, that's the central issue that repeatedly comes up here with certain factions: we hear you, we agree, and we're sick and tired of your own rejection of your own principle. Remember that among the infidels there exists no Biblical mandate to turn the other cheek; we are, by our paradigms, limited only by our own sense of propriety in our responses to hostility.

    You've dragged some of what you decry in here yourself, and don't seem inclined to drop it, either. That's fine with me, and for you, sure. But when I see a snake oil salesman, I call him out. Snake oil? Well, you advocate a philosophy and betray it with your actions and then decry the results of that betrayal. Seriously, I'll get off your back when you get off your high horse. And since we've followed you now around the full hypocritical circle, I'm going to ask you once:

    Are you prepared to honor your Christian obligation, or are you going to continue to speak with the forked tongue of hypocrisy? Right now it sounds like you're an aluminum siding salesman telling me the benefits of masonry. It just doesn't calculate when we compare your ideological appeal to your actions.

    You remind me of George Dubya's lament that he doesn't understand why people "hate" the US. You know, jets and buildings aside, I find it quite macabre that he doesn't know the history of American policy. It's why we get to do some of the stupid stuff again. Analogously, when you mark the hostility in these forums, I wonder whether you're conscious of your own ideological contribution to that hostility.

    There's a lot of reactions taking place here, KalvinB--people aren't discussing Tony1's conduct in four dedicated topics for a lark. What you point out is indeed problematic; what is remarkable there is that you're feeding the very fire you lament.

    If I missed the intended dimension of your topic post, KalvinB, it's because I thought you were describing your own conduct. It's pretty on-the-mark when read that way.

    thanx,
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  12. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    I did not personally see a christian relationship in the poem. Bitter, angry people exist in all walks of life, from all religions and anti-religions. However, that doesnt change the fact that it most certainly was a very depressing, negative poem. Kalvin, I don't think its healthy to fixate on the bad aspects of life. Look for the good in people, and the good in life, and you will most certainly find it.
     
  13. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Tiassa:

    Same dribble different day.

    Cainxinth:

    If we only focused on the good we'd never rid ourselves of the evil. The poem is just an observation.

    Ben
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    As long as we're agreed, KalvinB

    So go wipe your mouth.

    --Tiassa

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  15. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    We know Tiassa. We know.

    Ben
     
  16. blonde_cupid Registered Senior Member

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    KalvinB,

    I enjoyed the lilt in the step of the music. The instrumental contradiction of the lyrics set the tone nicely.

    Thanks.
     
  17. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    "If we only focused on the good we'd never rid ourselves of the evil. "

    There is evil in the world but you can help stamp it out by embracing the good aspects of life not by focusing on the bad. Why choose to look for the pain and suffering in life and not the joy and love? Even as an atheist it seems obvious that cynics always find what their looking for, a reason to be depressed.
     
  18. Teg Unknown Citizen Registered Senior Member

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    I fail to see the point of such a poem. In particular I found the line: "Bitter Angry People dying" to be somewhat of a hypocritical statement. Here you accuse others of attributes which you have in the same breath shown. That is undiably an angry line.

    Perhaps you are limited to the same feelings as those you seem to be attacking. Also your target seems vague at best. Who are these bitter angry people? I have a feeling some sort of feeling was trying to be expressed here, just think it out a bit more.
     
  19. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    If only the perfect can judge then we would have no courts.

    I thought it was a pretty simple concept.

    Ben
     
  20. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    "If only the perfect can judge..."

    You don't have to be perfect to judge. The Supreme Court Justices are smart people but they're not perfect.
     
  21. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    That was my point.

    Ben
     
  22. Cainxinth Registered Senior Member

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    I'm glad we're in agreement on something.
     
  23. tony1 Jesus is Lord Registered Senior Member

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    A whole thread about tiassa?
     

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