Big White A Hole

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by RainbowSingularity, Mar 29, 2018.

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do you think there is white holes anywhere

  1. yes and we just cant find them yet

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  2. no entropy says no

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  3. no the science is all wrong & i dont believe in black holes or white holes

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    is the Universe the discharge from a Big White hole ?

    proportionality of the inverse law of probability ...
    super massive White holes ?
    why none ?

    statistical probability the super massive is the opposite of white
    thus only black

    yet... would it not suggest there should... in theory... be at least SOME small white holes ... somewhere .. ?

    thoughts... ideas ?
     
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  3. Michael 345 Home just over a week still jet lag sleepy Valued Senior Member

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    And the math for this is.......?

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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    from which perspective are you asking ?
     
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  7. Michael 345 Home just over a week still jet lag sleepy Valued Senior Member

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    All of this

    is the Universe the discharge from a Big White hole ?

    proportionality of the inverse law of probability ...
    super massive White holes ?
    why none ?

    statistical probability the super massive is the opposite of white
    thus only black

    yet... would it not suggest there should... in theory... be at least SOME small white holes ... somewhere .. ?

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  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_general_relativity
     
  9. Edont Knoff Registered Senior Member

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    I don't dare to vote on the poll. I seem to remember that some theories proposed every black hole must end in a white hole, like a "klein's bottle" space geometry sort of thing. But such a powerful energy source would hardly escape our observations. So, it needs to be explained why they are so far away or so well hidden that we can't detect them.

    My personal opinion is, that the basic idea of black holes being linked to white holes is ... not entirely correct and there is an effects that was not considered and allows the black hole to be just a sink and not a pipe type structure.
     
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  10. Michael 345 Home just over a week still jet lag sleepy Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, don't talk about Bill O'Reilly like that!
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    precisely my line of ponderance.
    in theory all science says energy doesnt just suddenly stop existing, yet...
    acceleration must have force ?
    black holes must have an exit ?
    white holes must have an entrance ?

    i wonder if (though i would not understand it) mathamaticians have attempted to formulate the missing result/factor/what-ever it might be called.
    theorists seem to suggest some interesting things and the science of philisophical theory seems to be the only thing that can vaguely attach to the functional process.
    yet on the face of it, it would seem like simple mathamatics should explain it, THUS; how much mathamatics of the universe are we yet to discover(my current central ponderance) ?
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the poll is very whimsically constructed
     
  14. Edont Knoff Registered Senior Member

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    The problem that we face currently is that the formulas that we usually use give results like "infitine" at the event horizon, so we cannot really calculate with them there. And we don't know in which way to change the formulas to be correct, because it's so hard to observe the black holes in space.

    There are also effects like the hawking radiation, which is due to quantum effects, while otherwise classic theories are applied to black holes, and this also is an idication that even our mathmatical approach is incomplete there.
     
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  15. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    I hate the term discharge, used in connection with our glorious existence. (there is a story on BBC on a super Gonorrhea)

    If there is infinities with a white hole that produced the universe , that is good because if energy and time are fundamental, like timespace and energytime, (see ALAMAin alternate), we do not have to worry about origin and the endless debates about the "creator's" creator...... .
    The time for-- the energy for-- the white hole input not output are fundamental, always have been. right on the Knopf (button)
    ps: perhaps the white hole you are thinking of is the DIRAC HOLE?
     
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  16. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    That's actually not correct; it is possible to write down the formulas in GR in such a way as to avoid infinities at the event horizon. For a good example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruskal–Szekeres_coordinates
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    lol
    no, i was not aware of it.
    though reading a little on wiki reminds me i have done some reading on this before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea
    soo... anti-matter is a different theory ?
    ani matter has been proven to be correct AND created(in micro-quantity) at CERN(& somewhere else a few years ago?) ?

    my question of thought is along the lines of
    black holes suck stuff in
    is there something that blows things out ?
    is expansion a form of white hole concept ?
    is a white hole possible to be emitting something we cant measure like for example(e.G) dark energy ?
    is there basic examples showing that opposite concepts of matter and force that might posutulate the potential existance of a conceptual "white hole" that might explain dark energy(not a pure question just a cognitive gesticulation).

    i had read something that infinite number theorys were being investigated around 2011 to question if there was such a thing as an infinite value ?
    i did wonder if we have a computer capable of producing a random number if the computer cant numerate an infinite value ?
    thus it is a forced probability in a set range that renders random to a different value when applying an "infinite" number generator theory to any quantifiable concept(laymens thinking wholistically).
    i recently wondered if there had been any conclusion re infinite numbers and the consequential use.
    i did some reading on this some years back and concluded that i agree with Stephen(though it was not for a few years after that i discovered Stephens work).
    Thanks i have bookmarked that
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Why would black holes have to discharge in this universe?
     
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    I have the slight idea that a conenction between universes with a different set of fundamental laws, maybe even different forces than ours has, would be catastrophic.

    But maybe the event horizon is just the sort barrier that can prevent that ...

    Furthermore, wouldn't black holes that have an exit start to lose mass through that exits and eventually dissolve this way?
     
  21. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    If a black hole in this universe was the source of the ejecta I don't see that there would be a great deal of difference between that universe and ours. Both our position are impossible to prove, of course.
    A one way door, so forces created in the new universe can't come calling on us.

    They eject matter in this universe. The SWAG I'm working with would have the new universe created by what actually does "get through" the black hole.
     
  22. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    No problem, glad I could be of assistance.
     
  23. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Big white A Hole... I thought this was another Trump thread.
     
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