Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by S.A.M., Jul 14, 2006.
You are an atheist you crazy American; you cannot call on God remember?
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Oy. The empty and soon-to-be-refilled wine glass in front of me says I can generalize on whatever I want!
*significant contributions by SL will be minimal from this point forward*
Goddamnit, you're right of course.
So what are your conclusions, supe;
Any revisions or still clinging to the old ideals?
Well sam, you've made me realize that gender bias is a far more serious problem for women in scitech than I realized. I have no doubt that, in the absence of said bias, we would still see a sig..signcif... much higher ratio of men to women in technical careers as a % of population. But until the variable of gender bias is elimanated, we have no real way to prove that, do we?
Go to sleep!
are you serious? are you operating under the assumption that men and women are the same? think the same? are you yourself a scientist that is finding it hard to advance?
We were foolong around a bit. But what do you think of the gender bias and how to overcome it?
i won't argue that the system is not ****ed up, but i don't think it is gender bias per se. i am sure there was a time when women were discriminated against in the world of academia, but i think that time has passed. however, i am of the opinion that grants and awards are handed out not necessarily to those deserving but to a certain group of people. uh, it's complicated. anyway, call me cynical but i think the system is grossly corrupt, though in my experience i have not seen too great a gender bias [except in salaries of course]. that's my two cents. thoughts?
Have you read all the posts? There is most definitely a gender bias right from schooling in science and math to the determination of tenure.
okay, my laptop is running out of battery life. i will get back to this, but in the meanwhile, tell me if you believe men and women inherently differ in their thought processes [i.e. the stuff about the differences in test scores].
we've already gone through the test scores and cognitive differences
1. Men are better at science.
2. Noble prizes mean less today.
3. Any group - men, women, blacks, whites, Jews - protects itself by promoting its own.
Note that women do much better in literature, but almost all of the award winners are Jewish men.
We'll come back to this one.
Debatable and irrelevant.
So you accept that men (white men?) are in a position to marginalise others? That there is a bias against society's other groups?
Contradicts the logic of statement 1.
I accept that all ethnic groups marginalize all other ethnic groups, as it is what they must to do to survive assimilation.
"There have been studies published which have shown that once variables have been removed, pay for experience & education is virtually identical for men and women."
No, it doesn't. Read again.
A high school graduate loses $700,000. A young woman who graduated from high school last spring and went straight to work would, over her lifetime, make $700,000 less than the young man who graduated next in line. (2005)
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