best arguments against religion (no theists)

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Because, according to the Psalms, the righteous inherit the earth

    Psalm 37 verse 29 which says, "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever," (as translated in the King James Version of the Bible)

    That particular verse is cross referenced in the Qur'an btw, although not all Islamic scholars are convinced that Al Zabur refers to the Psalms

    Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth."
    —Qur'an, sura 21 (Al-Anbiya), ayah 105
     
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  3. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Please copy-paste the passages from scriptures that define God as you define God above.


    Please look at these two posts:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2862097&postcount=437
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2862114&postcount=440

    and tell us which set of statements you agree with.
     
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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    This does not address my question, which was:

    Why would someone who trusts in God request God to confuse the wicked, to kill them and such?
     
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Why would someone who trusts in god pray for anything? Doesn't god already know what they need? Isn't he already taking care of it?
     
  8. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    One can say that when one doesn't pray it's a sign that God isn't leading that person to good.
     
  9. babybudd babybudd Registered Senior Member

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    Can Panthiests post on this site?
     
  10. babybudd babybudd Registered Senior Member

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    I would suggest that it is not religon that is the problem, but our distorted interpretation
    of it. Theisism wasly never intended to be taken as fact but as a metaphor which we are suppossed to mature out of. It is a provisional teaching. If you still believe in a personel God when in your 30s then you are somewhat spiritually imature, you may as well still believe in Santa claus. Regretable some people are not ready to mature which is only a problem when they interfere with those of us who have.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    On the contrary, persons who have philosophical systems that prohibit a personal god are somewhat immature - Using one's own personality (and all its conditioned shortcomings) as a blueprint to estimate the issues that would arise from god having a personality is just like a 5 year old judging the president based on their requirement for free ice cream.
     
  12. Pineal Banned Banned

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    Yes. (that I responded supports my position)
     
  13. babybudd babybudd Registered Senior Member

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    The best arguements against religion can be found in the works of Lucian Freud.
     
  14. Pineal Banned Banned

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    I suppose one very good argument against religions is that they are not really like what their founders did. To participate in the religion, generally, is to do things the founders did not do, in ways they did not do them, in environs they did not use, in relations that are not the same and so on. Some things are taken from, say, the actions of Jesus and extended into taking Mass, for example. But there was no confession, I don't think, no church, no preacher/priest, no last rites.
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    These arguments have since been refuted
     
  16. Pineal Banned Banned

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    Which paintings are you thinking of?
     
  17. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    There is no true religion, therefor all religions are inherinatly wrong.
     
  18. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    @Jan --

    1. I don't have to demonstrate anything to LG as I made no claim, I merely questioned his claim and demanded that it be demonstrated, this "question" is nothing but LG attempting to shift the burden of proof once again. It is clear from LG's behavior that there is no interest in discussion there. LG is here to troll and obfuscate, much like yourself.

    2. No, I don't accept those six points because I don't accept that the premise is valid. Wynn's premise is that in order to conclude that the violence is indeed caused by religion we must believe those six things, this is something not in evidence so his post is begging the question.

    That should take care of that. Now, are you ever going to give any proper responses to any questions you're asked? Or should I just assume that you're going to be pulling more non-sequiturs, straw men, and red herrings out of your ass?
     
  20. Felixx89 Registered Member

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    Tbh your whole classification of atheist or theist is more of religion thing... you sure you dont believe?
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    If you want to back down from your previous statements about the holocaust and hindu/buddhist conflict in sri lanka being prime examples of religious conflict I am willing to ride with that since they were pretty stupid off-the-cuff remarks.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Please explain why that which you consider to be religiously motivated violence, indeed is religiously motivated violence,
    and why the two sets of six points I have mentioned earlier, do not apply.


    What is your premise that violence can be religiously motivated?
     
  23. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Let's go through them:


    1. Do you believe that the violence is perpetrated by people who claim to be religious?

    2. Do you believe that the claims of the perpetrators are to be taken at face value and to be held as a standard of religion?

    3. Do you believe that religion is what any person who claims to be religious says religion is?

    4. Some religious scriptures instruct the persecution of non-believers. Do you believe that the people who claim to be the heirs of said scriptures, are indeed divinely ordained heirs of said scriptures, and that whatever these people do, is sanctioned by the scriptures and God?

    5. Do you believe that a person who claims to be religious, has no political or economical interests?

    6. Do you believe that people make no mistakes?
     

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