Believing in nothing - Suzuki

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  1. river

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    Agreed

    We have though , lost our way .
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Never been sure if I ever had a way let alone being aware I have lost one

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    I do know I have never lost NOTHING

    Frequently lost SOMETHING

    Makes me hard to believe in NOTHING since I never had, never lost, never been given

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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Give a po box and I will send you nothing.
    Alex
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    My PO Box is already full of NOTHING thanks for the generous offer

    (I'm discounting the air)

    But as I have never been able to extract the NOTHING I still consider I don't not have NOTHING

    You might be able to help me with what I think is SOMETHING which may be related to NOTHING

    NUFFINK

    Is NUFFINK a new species related to NOTHING or variation of breed?

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  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    An absence of something that could reasonably expected to be there, money in the bank, beers in the fridge, messages on the phone.
    "I looked in da fridge an NUFFINK" often "sweet FA" maybe added as a qualification of specific absence.
    Alex
     
  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    So a breed version

    If you breed them you get a

    NoFink or a NuffThing

    Interesting

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  10. Equinox Registered Senior Member

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    Rather than saying you 'believe' in nothing which is a bit of a contentious word to use, you could say 'I acknowledge that nothing exists, including myself'.

    But even then - the acknowledgement has built into it a 3rd party which hints at/indicates a 'something' is in existence that has the ability to even contemplate such abstract thought processes.
     
  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you believe in nothing, you will use the least amount of brain power for thinking. One does not have to think about anything since there is nothing to think about. The belief in something, takes more thinking power. If you believe in the integration of everything, this takes even more thinking power.

    If you turn off thinking, what is left? What is left is feeling and sensory sensations. One is living in the moment, reacting to stimulus and acting on impulse and instincts, with little concern of how and why.
     
  12. Equinox Registered Senior Member

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    You may gain a lot by this - being free from past hurts and future anxieties, but you also lose a lot. The pleasant anticipation of returning home to a loved one. Bittersweet memories of something past, but wonderful to recall. Hope and ambitions of what you wish to do in life and the direction you wish to take and much more.

    On the flip side you save yourself a lot of heart ache if you live only in the moment.

    A middle road perhaps is best? living in the moment when you can, whilst planning for the future when you must, and recalling the past in order to learn from it.
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Not believing in nonsense is a step up.
     
  14. river

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    How so ?
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    For the most part, no.

    It may be true that during rest and relaxation, the brain uses slightly less calories than when in an active, alert state. But generally speaking, the brain is using a fairly constant number of calories all the time, no matter what you are thinking about.


    https://www.quora.com/Does-the-brain-consume-more-calories-when-we-think-harder

    Which fits in with my brain only using 2 Joules a week and while I don't loose weight when I try to think hard

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  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe my wording wasn't clear enough: If you believe in nonsense, stopping that belief is a step forward (up).
     
  17. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    Ironically the OP's video is unavailable. What is the sound of one cheek farting?
     
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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So we can do away with eyes and ears and schools and libraries as being useless in the pursuit of knowledge?
    If this tenet is followed, why would you open your OP with a lengthy philosophical argument?
    Do I need to know all that to learn how to have that philosophy come to me spontaneously?

    btw. Buddha (a prince), in his effort to conquer "suffering" practiced asceticism until he was near death. He was actually saved by a girl offering him a bowl of food, which immediately relieved his suffering.
    From that simple gesture Buddha came to the conclusion that a well balanced life of moderation in all things brings a necessary balance between suffering and comfort.

    But for the mind to "know" anything, it needs information. Information is gathered by our senses. To know nothing results only in an empty mind, incapable of creating insight into anything.

    It is easy to speak of insight. But insight is gained by observing and learning things from different perspectives as Roger Antonsen persuasively demonstrates..


    Of course I agree to the concept of meditation and contemplation. It allows us to place things into a proper perspective.
     
  19. river

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    It sure is .

    Now define " nonsense " .
     
  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    since there has never been a single thing, where then is defiling dust to cling
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    In the context of this thread, you said in message #17, "Believing in nothing is nonsense ."
    That's nonsense.
     

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