belief in an afterlife

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by euphrosene, Oct 29, 2006.

  1. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Q: I understand the need to interpret subjectively but it starts to defeat the purpose of either conversation or debate if the other party not only cannot even remotely understand but is also reduced to petty insults.

    And, before you say it, maybe I should be clearer. Unfortunately, however clear I may attempt to be, I have a feeling you will always misinterpret because that is where your consciousness currently lies.

    There again Star Trek's Q was apparently ‘condescending’. Interestingly, he wanted to commit suicide as he had negative feelings about living.

    For me, however, while I may have less than happy feelings about particular moments in time, I have boundless positivity about Life itself and its amazing capacity to renew and recreate.
     
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  3. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Cris – Several good points. Especially about the apathy inherent in some religious creeds.

    Firstly, I firmly believe that we have to try to resolve issues here and now. We cannot ignore what is going on in either our local communities or the wider world, simply for an easier life.

    I believe that how we live our lives now, not only raises our own spiritual vibration, but that of the greater whole beyond time and space. That may sound a bit new-agey but there is some validity for this - matter vibrating, particle physics et al.

    There are only ever moments in time and not all become worse. Everything evolves, changes. Change invariably involves some discomfort for a while.

    As for all being ‘sociable and cooperative’… well they are not. You have only to read some regular commenters on even this fine forum to know that.

    ‘Long term climate changes are of less importance since our long term future will not be on this planet.’ Well my credo is that even elements beyond our ‘here and now’ are just as important as they belong to the same 'Great Everything'.

    The ‘meanings and concepts’ of words are frequently subjective. Look at the word ‘gay’. I gather many young heteros now use it as a term of abuse.

    Although words generally have communal meanings, groups will always appropriate them and change their meaning quite significantly.

    I haven’t read every post here, but maybe someone ought to start a thread on definitions and word associations.

    “None have any credibility unless there is some form of support for them.” Well there is support in various quarters, just not necessarily on this forum.

    “Not if they are good scientists. While they might speculate they are not permitted to conclude until they can support their claims.”

    I have a feeling that most scientists speculate; most do not share their speculations unless they have proof. But there again, Einstein was blasted for his theory of everything. Sir Martin Rees has frequently written about as yet unprovable things.

    Scientists see or sense something and then spend lifetimes trying to match intuition with 'proof'.
     
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  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    There is no misinterpretation here, no need to clarify, you believe in an afterlife because you can't stand reality, typical theist. Clearly, if you find that acceptable, then you are missing out on life. Too bad for you.

    Maybe your problem is that you watch too much TV? That must be the case considering there are dozens of examples of the use of (Q) which you missed.

    You contradict yourself, if an afterlife is your apparent goal.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Rubbish.
     
  8. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    There you go yet again, misinterpreting and 'rubbishing'. Great advert for a supposedly scientific mind!

    Let's leave it there as we are apparently never going to agree in this time and space, and this is wasted energy for me at least.

    And, AGAIN for the record, the harmonious continuance of life is my goal. Life to me never stops.

    All the best and have a good weekend.

    Euphrosene
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, you can come up with any nonsense you want and expect agreement? I would suspect to call a spade a spade IS scientific.

    Of course, why should anyone agree with your delusions of an afterlife? Why would anyone waste their entire life in pursuit of death?

    But, it will stop, that is the point.
     
  10. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    you are the only mind/consciousness, and everything is inside you, like in a dream. everything you see are just your thoughts. humans. and also your own body. just concentration of thoughts.

    but if i believe everything, i believe nothing.
     
  11. Kron Maxwell's demon Registered Senior Member

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    So what if you can only experience things within? That doesn't mean the outside universe doesn't exist. Look at a computer; it only experiences the universe 'within'...

    Precisely. Hence, you shouldn't believe everything you read on the net. There's a lot of crap there. Look at the time-cube if you want an example...
     
  12. heliocentric Registered Senior Member

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    Is it just me or is there very little level-headed debate on these forums? it seems to me like everyone on here is an extremist/fanatic fighting their incredibly polarized corner.
    Anyone out there interested in the middle ground?
     
  13. Shaitan lord of hades Registered Senior Member

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    and pray tell what is the middle ground.
     
  14. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    you can't be aware of something if it's not in your awareness/mind/consciousness.
     
  15. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    c7,

    Emotions are entirely within. And we can become aware of the outside through our senses.
     
  16. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    you can't know if there is an outside because the only way to be aware of something is if it's in your awareness.

    no one can ever prove that there is a separated outside because the only way to reach the it is through our senses.
     
  17. Archimonde Banned Banned

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    Brain is like a machine. Like a computer, u use it. Can we say that a machine have afterlifes ? NO

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  18. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    c7,

    So that means I can be aware of the outside then doesn't it?

    So I can use my senses then to prove there is an outside.
     
  19. Kron Maxwell's demon Registered Senior Member

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    That's because awareness is DEFINED as what you're aware of.
     
  20. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    what you call outside could be just your thoughts, like in a dream.

    the outside is mental. without consciousness there would be no outside, and we couldn't be conscious if we didn't think something was outside us.
     

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