# 'Behind The Phony Epidemics'

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by duendy, Dec 16, 2005.

1. ### duendyRegistered Senior Member

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'Behind The Phony Epidemics':
For the last several years, I've been reporting on medical scams that involve great warnings about impending health crises:

SARS

West Nile

Bird Flue

When all is said and done, the numbers of human deaths are so tiny compared with other causes, you have to wonder what is ging on.

And I have written about hidden agendas behind the promotion of these little blips
on the disease screen.

Now I am prepared to say more, as US Senate Bill 1873 sits there, waiting to be voted on. The Bill would create a super-secret fed agency, BARDA, that would carry on germ research and end up producing --- in concert with drug companies --- drugs and vaccinations that could be MANDATED for every citizen in a time of crisis; possible bio-terror attack, impending large outbreak, impending pandemic.

SB1873 means: no government or other oversight of BARDA; no FOIA requests to determine adverse effects of the new drugs and vaccines; no $$liability for drug companies when averse efects occur. This bill would not stand a chance in hell of passing, were it not for the ewxtraordinary propagana campaign that hasbeen built on the back of the absurd flu non-situation. SO...let's take a look at a few of the overall health trends in America and other countries. Large numbers of vocal citizens are blowing the whistle on the dangers of vaccines, mercury, psychiatric for depression and ADHD, and additives like apartame and MSG. Some of these citizens have formed into effective groups and tey are tough-minded. Yhey use the Internet to spread their information all over the world. At the same time, more andmore people are becoming aware of the benefits of natural health and supplements. Thee people are using conventional doctors far less often. Drug companies are under attack as never before. Scandals connected to drugs like Vioxx and SSR antidepressants are blooming. Law suits are in progress from all quarters. The stock price of some drug companies have been dropping like stones. New-drug research, and certifying agencies like the FDA, are also being exposed a a massive fraud: illegal, ghost-written published studies; drug studies buried when they show lack of effectivenes and health dangers; conflicts of interest (where drug researchers are receiving monies from drug companies) --- who can read articles in med journals and believe them?" (end or part 1 of this article) 2. ### Google AdSenseGuest Advertisement to hide all adverts. 3. ### duendyRegistered Senior Member Messages: 6,585 (part 2)) "In a reasonable free market, the whole drug industry would be collapsing. In addition, more people are becoming aware ta strange and sudden acts of violence and suicide --- reported sensationally in the presss --- are, in some cases, stemming from the use (or sudden witdrawal from)SSRI antidepressants, such as Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil,Media credibility itself is at stake. Increasing numbers of citizens are rejecting what mainstream medical reporters are touting --- asthey realize that, by and large, these reporters are merey parroting what press reps for drug companies, government health agencies, and universities are saying. THIS IS A CRISIS How to solve it? Here is th basic agenda that must be carried out in ant such solution: protect the drug companies from criticism, loss of profits, falling stock prices, and legal liability; find a way to force pople to take drugs and vaccines; hide the adverse effects (deaths, maimings) of these drugs and vaccines; restore the image of the drug companies; fold the natural health industry into the drug industry. I have writeen extensiley on the pincer movement that combines Codex, the free-trade treaties, and the FDA in efforts to limit the availability of nutritional supplements. As for the rest of the above agenda, it all comesdown to tis. There has been a need to createe an atmosphere of fear, in which possible bio-terror attacks and possible pandemics move in on us. Facts do not matter. A climate of false fear matters. With enough promotion of fear (even when fear is not really happening), new laws and regulations can be put into motion. Drug companies can win lucrative (and secret) government contracts. Lawsuits against drug companies can be sharply reduced. Adverse effects --- deaths and maimings --can be hidden. This is a big pay off. This is what has been hiding behind the curtain of the false pomotin of false epidemics . To bring off a monster conspiracy of this nature, it is only necessary to enlist stakeholders AT THE LEVEL WHERE THESE STAKEHOLDERS FEEL THE PINCH. In other words, if all the researchers and drug companies and salespeople and the med journals and the government health agencies and the anti-terro agencies simply keep doing what they doin order to keep$$\$ flowing into theor coffers, and i, on top of all this, there is a tremendous multi-front campaign to promote pandemics and possible bio-terror attacks, new laws and new rules can be enacted and the agenda can be forewarded.

However, there is a revolution underway. It has been going for a century, ad it is gaining steam. People are defecting from the toxic-drug approach to health and disease. eople are finding new ways to expand their own health and immune capabilities. People are rejecting the top-down authrotiy of the medical cartel.

The battle is happening before our eyes.

And we are a part of it.

Those who want to help but don't know what to do need to realize one thing.

With a modest amount of imagination they can figure out what to do.

The helpless approach is a self-induced ruse.

eople who claim they want to help but can't figure out how? They are fooling themselves. They know how."

((by Jon Rappoport, from article at http://www.propagandamatrix.com

5. ### LightRegistered Senior Member

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Another typical Duendy over-over-over-reaction. I'm betting she's never bothered to even read Bill 1873 - and you can read the whole thing here: http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/pdf/biodefenseact.pdf

As with everything else that Duendy fears, she has labeed the agency as "a super-secret fed agency" (see above) even though it's existance is clearly spelled out in the Bill and it would be within the Department of Health and Human Services which is FAR from being "super-secret." And it's mission, as clearly spelled out in the Bill is nothing like she imagines.

Ayways being terrified of her own shadow, yet again Duendy strikes out for the benefit of all mankind. Yea! Go, Duendy!!! :bugeye:

7. ### mountainhareBannedBanned

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duendy does make a good point. The media sure has exaggerated and over-sensationalized the above diseases. A disease like SARS hasn't killed nearly as many as a disease like AIDS has.

8. ### LightRegistered Senior Member

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Granted, the media has over done it. But then here comes Duendy with her OWN over-sensationalized version coupled with her special dose of super-paranoia.

Is it any small wonder why most of us almost immediately discount anything she says? Even when it might contain a tiny grain of truth, it's difficult to sort it out from all the garbage.

9. ### NysseGod is deadRegistered Senior Member

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Yeah, I agree, the media blows most everything out of proportion, but especially when it comes to diseases and outbreaks such as Bird Flu and SARS.
Just curious, Light, but I thought you stated in your passionate little thread about Duendy’s “problems” that you were going to ignore him?
Or do you just like to spout crap about ignoring Duendy for the fun of it, and didn’t really mean this:

10. ### LightRegistered Senior Member

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And as I also said, even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while. You'll note that I've not said much to Duendy (a "she", by the way) since that time. The topic if this thread caught my interest, that's all, thinking that possibly the furry critter might have uncovered an acorn. And then finding another round of absurdities that I chose to comment on.

11. ### jack54Registered Senior Member

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I have a sneaking suspicion my grandpa had an early form of SARS. He came back from a trip to Asia with a strange respiratory disease that was never properly diagnosed. The world started hearing about it a few weeks later.

Reckon it's possible?

12. ### spidergoatValued Senior Member

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One major reason these diseases haven't been more deadly is increased awareness about them, and the proactive steps governments have taken to control them. In other words, it's awareness, not sensationalism, and it's a good thing. If they were killing large numbers of people, and no one said anything about them, then you would think it's a cover-up, and blame corruption or something.

13. ### duendyRegistered Senior Member

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spidergoat, you have totally missed the entire point of the article i presented. Point being that thewse psedo pandemics are cyniclally CREATED so as to secure authority over gullible believers in them. did you even READ it..??

14. ### guthrieparadox generatorRegistered Senior Member

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Hang on, are you saying that bird flu itself, mad cow disease, nile fever etc etc dont actually exist? Or are you simply saying that they have been blown out of proportion by the media?

15. ### MetaKronRegistered Senior Member

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Guthrie, don't consider this to be answering for Duendy, but I will say that it is a lot of both. None of these popular plagues affect great numbers of animals or humans. Sensationalism is being transparently disguised as "awareness." Most of the science supporting them seems to me to be completely junk science, far too full of "what if" being treated as "almost certainly." The towers of speculation can only be supported by the word of authority. The way that even scientists seem to be so gullible about these things puts me in the unenviable position of having to think for them without being paid.

Here's the deal on mad cow: Even the ones who believe that it is a disease say that the disease-causing prion prefers manganese over its normal copper. To me this is an outrageous claim that needs to be proven, with real hard evidence, to a very high degree of certainty. What seems far more likely is that the tissue in which these prions are found has too much manganese and not enough copper in it. This is the simplest explanation. The disease-causing self-replicating almost indestructible prion theory requires a fantastic chain of speculation that is not supported by proven science. The contamination by metals theory explains everything that it needs to, including the rarity of the condition and the transmission through cannibalism, and is supported by proven science.

16. ### guthrieparadox generatorRegistered Senior Member

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Well, BSE affected hundreds of thousands of cattle, with definite potential for transmission to others, no matter which theory of BSE you prefer. I see youve got the manganese theory already, funny how nobody has done any work on it.

Now, bird flu. Vietnam has reported, what, scores of cases of it. It has been detected on birds across much of northern Asia. All we lack is the mutation to make it transmissable between humans.

And once again, you have to read the words. The scientist will put in caveats, about maybe, if, when, possibly, and if they are a good scientist, will explain what these if's are. The media however, as I have discovered myself, dont care about caveats when framing headlines.
As for gullible scientists, well, they are only human, and its hard to know enough out of ones field to be able to take on everyone else as well. But think carefully. Are you advocating the abandonment of the scientific method, use of scientific xperts, peer review etc? Or are you just moaning about how the powerful are manipulating science for their own ends?

17. ### duendyRegistered Senior Member

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you have to understand the mindset of these times. it is all about BUSIENSS and making piles of DOSH and POWER.....yes.

there is no real concern about integrity, caring for others, and Nature. thus the modus operandi is survival at all costs, and fleecing the gulliible

you cant just look attheproblem being referred to here, withOUT being AWARE of the othe cam going on, like forinstance the mental health scam

DON@t be specialist. ALWAYSbe awareof pattern. ofhow tings interconnect

if you look at social control you see the emphasis is on fragmentation and specialization so as to keep us looking from the overall patterns of things and how itall interelates

so, example, when listening and watching the news beamed all at same time different channels by same looking well-turned out middle clss people with nice hairdos and samey mannersims.......all shpeaking sam e newshpeak sounds....etc. keepin mind who OWNSall this shit. and why they choose certain news items andnot othes and who others suddenly disappear from public view and others keep getting i ones face, habitual-like, and.........etc

18. ### Communist HamsterCricetulus griseus leninusValued Senior Member

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Basically duendy is claiming that the governments blow these things out of proportion as a kind of propoganda, the message being "join us or these nasty diseases will kill you". Am I right duendy, or have I got it wrong?

19. ### OphioliteValued Senior Member

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Duendy I can comment directly on the MadCow issue, and the human variant that caused the concern. Far from blowing it out of proportion the government kept a lid on the the extent of the concern. A close relative worked in the government research centre in Edinburgh on this. From conversations with her it is very clear that some of the scientists involved were genuinely fearful that the eventual death toll in the UK could run into the millions. Now it turned out that they were mistaken. The final toll is likely to be in the low thousands. But the upper figures, considered real possibilities by several of those at the forefront of the research, were never publicised by the government - something they could easily have done if they had wished to 'blow it out of proportion'.

20. ### leopoldValued Senior Member

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in america cows are and have been for quite awhile "tagged" meaning that a calf (cow) is tracked from birth to death. such a system allows for any cow that is infected to be traced to its origins. in other words if a cow has mad cow disease we can tell where it originated. as for duendy's claims of a conspiracy, i doubt it. she does bring up a damned good point about population control.

21. ### MetaKronRegistered Senior Member

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Why do you call it "moaning"? That's a really strange thing to call it if you are someone who is sincerely after the truth. I'm not even sure what you are asking here, because you sound like you are using sarcasm and derision against anyone who would verbally challenge the system.

Even if BSE has been a popular notion for 20 years, that does not make it a true theory, even if millions of cattle have been destroyed by people who act as if it's true and who ignore scientific method and human rights. We can't be doing these massively destructive acts "just in case." In Great Britain it was the decimation of some species, through the back door as it was, and it was not an urgent enough thing to justify that much destruction even if the theory was true. They might as well have said that the cattle were "bewitched by Satan."

Had the scientific method been in use, action would have been withheld AND the contamination theory would have been first in line. I would like to see a major flap like this in which scientific method actually is used. Of course, it would disappear quickly and be unable to generate billions of dollars in damage, but I don't personally consider that to be a problem.

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22. ### duendyRegistered Senior Member

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YES, you understand what i am saying. we arebeing manipulated. FEAR --asis known by all fascists--is THE bindingstrategy,which binds people to authority. Also as the article stresses, we must also understand how BUSINESS operates. al IS business!! no more communal cocerns, eve under the oppressive religious yoke. NOWitis business and profit IS god. having people fearing for teir health adds significantly to the coffers of the hugely greedy pharmaceutical industry

23. ### loweflyRegistered Senior Member

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