Before the Big Bang, was there an unspecified volume of spatial points ?

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  1. Mohat Banned Banned

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    Before the big bang was there an unspecified volume of spatial points that has always existed ?

    0^∞=0

    Before the big bang there was nothing !
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
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    Then the Big Bang theory is implausible because expansion needs a volume of space to expand into and space cannot be created or destroyed .

    A ''hot dense state'' needs a volume of space to occupy .

    Science really didn't think this through !
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It's not expansion "into" space. It's expansion of space.
     
  8. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps....
    But try first to answer this simple question (Level 1) :
    What is north of the north pole ?

    Your answer : .......

    Then (Level 70, if you are a WOW player you know what i mean) :
    What is before the begining ?

    Your answer : .......

    Perhaps...
    But the BB theory do no go so "far".

    Science do not think (Heidegger)
    https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-“science-does-not-think”-by-M-Heidegger-mean
     
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  9. Mohat Banned Banned

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    Space has nothing to expand as it is not made of matter . Don't you understand that space and matter are independent of each other ?

    Space time curves relative to space .
     
  10. Mohat Banned Banned

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    Yes indeed , the Big Bang theory is incomplete starting with a ''hot dense state'' that isn't explained .

    The big bang theory doesn't suggest there wasn't a pre-existing volume of spatial points to my knowledge .

    There as always existed an unspecified volume of spatial points and at a random spatial point formed a ''hot dense state'' that expanded is more physically accurate ?
     
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  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Matter is made of space.
     
  12. Mohat Banned Banned

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    No, space isn't made of any thing .

    Matter is formed by a+b/t and matter occupies spatial points .

    (a+b)^3

    a/R^n=0/t

    b/R^n=0/t

    a+b/R^n=1/t

    a+a=0/t

    b+b=0/t

    a+b=1/t

    Where a=q1 b=q2 t=time
     
  13. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    What was "before the big bang" is purely speculative. Anyone can make guesses, but current physics could not give any answers.
     
  14. Mohat Banned Banned

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    I personally do not like to speculate , I consider the physics involved and the physics I've provided is one plausible option based on working physics .


    a+a=0/t

    b+b=0/t

    Based on Coulombs laws of charges and force involved (a) repulses (a) and (b) repulses (b) so therefore a+a or b+b cannot converge to form a stable singularity the same as a+b=1/t .

    Additionally a physical requirement of a ''hot dense state'' would be a+b .
     
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    Why a=b ?
     
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    a=q1

    b=q2
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Can we say that before the BB there was no space, but there was a "permittive condition", which initially allowed for the FTL inflationary epoch. Once space was of sufficient size and temperature, the laws of nature took hold and spacetime became both permittive and restrictive in accordance to natural laws.
     
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    That is well written but how can we say/declare there is no space when evidently for an expansion of any thing physical , the event requires a physical space to expand into ?

    A problem I observe is that people can't or don't distinguish the difference between definitions .

    Space is described :
    noun
    1. 1.
      a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied.
    An unspecified volume of spatial points describes a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied , any given point having a 0 value .

    Matter is described :

    noun
    noun: matter; plural noun: matters; noun: the matter
    1. 1.
      physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass, especially as distinct from energy.
      "the structure and properties of matter"

    Can't we say that :

    Before the Big Bang which always existed , is a continuous area or expanse (An unspecified volume of spatial points) ,that can be occupied by physical substance in general . A ''permittive condition", which initially allowed for the FTL inflationary epoch of recombination .

    In mathematical terms we can describe this real coordinate space Rn

    Any element of Rn is thus a n-tuple, and is written

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    Sorry my mistake , n-tuples don't quite work to explain correctly .

    Can't we say that :

    Before the Big Bang which always existed , is a continuous area or expanse (An unspecified volume of spatial points) ,that can be occupied by physical substance in general . A ''permittive condition", which initially allowed for the FTL inflationary epoch of recombination .

    In mathematical terms we can describe this as real coordinate space Rn

    Any given point of Rn can be written :

    (x0,y0,z0)

    ????????????
     
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  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Can't we say...we don't know?
     
  22. Mohat Banned Banned

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    That wouldn't be very good physics !

    We can apply physics knowledge to at least get something written that is more plausible and more understandable .
     
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