* Note: the text below reads "funny" to me, and I'm not entirely sure that I'm even making sense. Our dog had a bad seizure, and then I did, so everything's fuzzy. Please advise if it doesn't make sense, and I'll revise when head is clear. -------------------------- Setting aside the varying cultural notions of ideal--as in, most beautiful-- body shapes, with impoverished nations generally favoring the Rubenesque while the more affluent nations tend towards the, erm, (early) Schiele-esque, what of individual preferences? I mean, is consideration of a person's weight or body shape the same as concern over an especially prominent proboscis or ears that stick out "too far?" From my perspective, it's apples and oranges. People have tremendous control over their own body weight--diet and physical activity being the overwhelming determining factors; they do not have any control over size, shape or placement of facial features (discounting cosmetic surgery). And, to me, having a healthy diet, not being gluttonous, and being physically active are important--and attractive--attributes. I consider them more reflective of inner beauty, so to speak. THAT SAID, I've been told, on countless occasions throughout my entire life, that I've got an unhealthy obsession with thinness, and anthropometrics generally. If you're familiar with that chart prominently displayed in veterinarians' offices the world over, which displays the profile of the underweight, overweight, and ideal dog--well, I apply that to humans: rib cage should be visible, but only slightly. IOW I think people should look kinda hungry. So, yeah, I tend to favor one end of the spectrum, but not to the point of ill-health. IMHO. Either way, I do not find overweight persons attractive. I'm speaking only to physical attraction and/or my assessment of "beauty" here; as far as general relations and "friendship" (kind of a weird notion to me) go, weight is not a factor. Is that shallow? Vain? Superficial? Obviously, the creation of this thread was prompted by reflecting upon responses to the creepy resident incel in an adjacent thread, and consideration of my own behaviors and attitudes.