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What is going on with Gaius is internal conflict. His Cylon self is manifesting in the Six Appirition.

Meanwhile, Six manifests an appirition of Gaius. It is possible that when they both died in the nuclear radioactive bomb, something happened. Or it is possible that the 5 unknown Cylons are higher level Cylons that are involved in this whole appirition thing between them.

The Gaius appirition could possibly represent Six's humanistic conflict. Although she is a Cylon that was never implanted with a fabricated human memory like Boomer, Six had a great deal of exposure to humanity during her mission on Caprica. Specifically, love. As a result, she might have developed some sort of internal conflict between her Cylon motives and more humanistic motives. This conflict manifesting as the Gaius appirition.

Although Athena was always aware of her fabricated human memory while Boomer was not, Athena remained in love with Helo. Boomer however seemed to have been separated from love for so long that she turned back into an evil Cylon. I always thought Boomer would end up with Chief, but she ended up back with the Cylons. Possibly because of Chief's marriage to Cally.

Sharon's situation actually makes no sense. The situation between Athena and Boomer just seems to be plain inconsistency. They both were implanted with fabricated memories. Boomer was a sleeper while Athena was aware of them. The inconsistency is that both of them seem to have memory of Boomer's life in the military and relationship with her friends. All of which was never implanted, but really occured. Furthermore, you would think that the Boomer version who was a sleeper would have been more inclined to her humanity than Athena who was not a sleeper. However, we clearly see that when Boomer talks to Cally in the detention center, she doesn't seem to be all that helpful.

 

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OOOH! Six as in, not six apparitions, but the apparitions of Six. Okay. Sorry.

 

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Interesting point, and it would explain things pretty well. Except there was no resurrection ship nearby [was there?] to bring Gaius back to life if he was killed in the explosion.

But it is an interesting theory. Two cylons killed in a nuclear blast have their personalities intermingled due to EMP or something. I like it.

 

That must have been it. I'm not sure what you mean by any nearby res ship. If he is a cylon, then he would have resurected in the same way Six was resurrected. They both died at the exact same place and time.

I think the best explanation would be what you mentioned about getting their downloads intermingled.

 

The cylons utilized a special vessel to perform resurrections "in the field", so to speak.

 

Still doesn't explain what you meant in your post.

1. When Caprica was destroyed, both Six and Gaius blew up. Both of them seem to have ressurected. Both of them see appirations of eachother.(Miniseries, Episode 31).

2. We know that Baltar was able to go in and investigate the epidemic that was killing Cylons. (Episode 39).

3. Was the epidemic the same thing as seen during the rendevoous at the weapons station? (Miniseries).

4. Cylon psychology is based on projection. They can see their environment in anyway they want. (Episode 39).

5. The Six Appirition seems to be able to predict the future. She gives Gaius not only advice about the cylons, she seems to know what will happen. She tells him to learn as much as he can about the Cylons because he will need it in the days ahead. She also advises him to volunteer to check the diseased ship. Partly to show he did not lead them there knowing they will die. Partly to check if he will catch the disease as well. (Episode 39).

He did not catch any disease which seems to make him human. But the Six appirition seems to have advanced cylon knowledge seeming to point that it is cylon self talking to his human self. Furthermore, he seems to be experiencing the projection aspect of Cylon capabilities to a limited extent. It appeas that he is basically telling himself to study the Cylons so he can use this knowledge in the future. Also to volunteer to investigate the ship.

 

Yes, but Gaius was picked up on Caprica by Boomer's ship. So he would have had to have time to be ressurected and then re-deployed on Caprica in time to be picked up right after the invasion.

Six, on the other hand, could have been resurrected at leasure on the resurrection ship since I don't think she was seen again until much later.

So the timing is the issue here.

 

Well there has to be an explanation for:
1. Gaius surviving the nuclear holocaust.
2. Gaius's visions of the Six Appirition.
3. Knowledge from the Six Appirition.
5. The intentions of the Six Appirition.
6. Gaius's ability to survive the epidemic in the contaminated ship.

The Six Appirition knew about the Cylon ability to project their surroundings. Yet another thing Gaius could not have known before.

 

I'm keeping open the possibility that Gaius Baltar is the original human Cylon. He's a prototype for later human-appearing Cylons, and perhaps a one-of-a-kind, the mastermind of the entire invasion of the Colonies. And the only way he could do it is if he is utterly blind to himself. Thus, the actual mission of "Caprica Six" was to extract the intended utility from the Baltar model. I keep recalling John Colicos as Baltar in the old series; anyone remember his image in the opening credits? He's commanding a basestar. Given the effort the writers gave to work in the famous "waggle" episode (Starbuck's return in "You Can't Go Home Again", ep. 9), I keep wondering how far they'll go to give Baltar a basestar. If Baltar is actually a Cylon, well, there we go. It would also make him something equivalent to the old series' "Imperious Leader".

 

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I think that is an interesting point about Gaisu being the orignal Cylon.
First, he did not seem to get infected with the disease from the objet trouve.

Furthermore, it could be that his consciousness got intermingled with Six's due to the nuclear attack and his proximity to six at the time of death by nuclear meltdown. That would explain their appirations of eachother.

Just like Boomer, he is dormant, but full of Cylon knowledge and plans. Being that he is the main, he probably knows things that even other Cylons do not know. Just like Boomer, his human and Cylon aspects are in conflict. The only difference is that because of the nuclear fusion of Six, Gaius's conflicts between his human self and his dormant Cylon self manifests in and appirition of Six. His dormant self in the form of the Six Appirition is giving him guidance and knowledge to fulfill his own goals beyond that of the Cylons and humans.

Being the original Cylon he has Imperious Leader motives beyond the motives that he programmed into regular Cylons to simply kill humans.

The ressurection process also seems to have an effect on Cylon capacity to love. Bommer got killed by Cally. Six got killed by the other Cylon in the second instance of Cylon on Cylon murder. When Boomer ressurected, she seemed to grow to be less human as depicted in the episodes on New Caprica. Six also ressurected, and seems to no longer have any love for Gaius as depicted in the leatest episode #39.

I would also speculate that Gaius, and perhaps other Cylons have been living among humans all this time before even the big attack. And that differnt Cylon models have their own significant characteristics, roles, or super powers/special abilities.

 

Good point. It may be that the resurrection process does not necesarily affect the ability to lover, but that it's not really resurrection.

Consider. You are killed, somehow your memories are downloaded into a clone of you. Is that really you? Is their some aspect of conciousness that can not be downloaded? Consider how different you feel from day to day based upon little changes i the state of your health. Now consider your mental 'software' being uploaded to another body. Is it you?

What if clone is uploaded a copy of your conciousness and it turns out you aren't dead. Would it be you then? Would you then kill yourself to avoid confusion?

Interesting philosophical questions.

 

I wonder if they will ever have a 6th day dillema in BSG.

 

The first episode I ever even remotely respected the president and now I want to throttle Adama?

What is this world coming to?

 

Why the hell didn't they pre-emptively throw the cylon fracker in the brig? You knew he was going to do something stupid. Also, why kill all the infected cylons at once? Save one or two so you get another shot at the thing if it goes wrong. Also, they should have been seperated. Also, couldn't they isolate the virus from the cadavers and create a real bio weapon? And if it is harmless to humans, why not release it to the general public so that any cylon that comes in contact with them, or any sleepers would become infected?

There's so much they could do with that virus, but it seems nothing more will come of it.

 

As I noted in the other thread: I really hope that isn't the case. Considering it has lead to Baltar being tortured, Helios betraying the fleet, and the president growing balls...

 

Helo is a jackass.
They cannot just close the book on the situation.
What was Helo thinking?

I agree about how they should have only executed 2 to test it out before killing them all. Furthermore, it turns out the disease is not even a computer virus. It is a biological lymph disease. How the hell can the disease download into a new Cylon. If a sick or wounded Cylon dies, they get download into a brand new happy body.

But the real question is ethics morality and justice.
Is it ethical to kill their entire Cylon race?
What about Gaius and Hera? Would they not be in danger if they killed all the Cylons?

What if it was humans VS humans. This one set if humans is trying to kill the others because of skin color. They are racists that have banded together to eradicate the rest of humanity. The remaining humans are running away from the racists. One of the racists becomes a member of the escaping fleet. She is a traitor among her skin color. The only human of that skin color to join the escaping fleet. They land on a planet, and the racists come to try to live with them without regard to racial differences. The racists also happen to have superior weaponry. They grew up on a different planet, and do not really understand the ways of the "inferior" skin color. But they continue their evil acts against the "inferior" skin color by using evil tactics to oppress them.

Is it ok to send some kind of weapon against them that will kill them all knowing they are human of just a different skin color?

 

The "courage of one's convictions" is a bitch, ain't it ?
Still... what if it they'd gone thru with it, and it'd worked ?
Show's over.
Then we'd have nothing to argue about but "post mortem" what-ifs.

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Perhaps they only believed this was the case.
These "skin jobs" are some mighty odd machines - with their "faith" and "religion" and "mission form god"(now even prayers at a moment of imminent "perma-death"). What if they were simply wrong about the spread of the disease via the resurrection process, because of some element of uncertainty which has been introduced into their "click-n-whir" logic since they took human form?

Exactly the question - and one we've faced right here on the home mudball.
Was it ethical to pulverize German cities and incinerate Japanese cities simply because they had displayed monstrous inhumanity to man ?
Or did it make us no better than them ?

Nice gimmick they dreamed up to save Athena from catching "Cylon Flu"...
Wouldn't "super-stud" Baltar have gotten it from just being on the ship which was thoroughly infected ?