Backgrounds in moderation

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by GeoffP, Aug 19, 2011.

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  1. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Uh oh, you mentioned the unmentionable. You're going down, lady.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    Okay.

    Thank you.
     
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  5. geekzilla Banned Banned

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    Yeah baby going down. Blame the roses.



    Dawn sings in the garden
    Phone sings in the hall
    This boy's dead from two day's life
    Resurrected by the call
    Penny here we've got to come
    So come on round to me
    There's so much penny lying here
    To touch, taste and tease
    Ring a ding ding ding I'm going down
    I'm coming round
    Penny's place her crummy room
    Her dansette crackles to Jimi's tune
    I don't care I taste Ambre Solaire
    Her neck her thighs her lips her hair
    Ring a ding ding ding I'm going down
    I'm coming around

    All thoughts of sleep desert me
    There is no time
    Thirty minutes brings me round to her number nine


    Passion looks like a painting
    Jackson Pollock's Number Five
    Come into the forest and taste the trees
    The sun starts shining and I'm hard to please
    Ring a ding ding ding I'm going down
    I'm coming around

    All thoughts of sleep desert me
    There is no time
    Thirty minutes brings me round to her number nine


    To look down on the clouds
    You don't need to fly
    I've never flown in a plane
    I'll live until I die
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    This is a surprisingly grand scheme I seem to have created with a fairly light OP, in which I thought reshuffling and new assignments might translate into more traffic. Moreover, I have also somehow involved quadra, without any kind of planning whatsoever. Perhaps we are the Scrooge and Marley of SF? I'll take Scrooge; more face time and I enjoy torturing the infirm. Which makes you Tiny Tim. I'm surprised you even get internet reception under there: you're not pirating signal, are you?

    True.

    I would argue some kind of line along reasonability. Would the average person, walking past in the street and stopped by a man with a clipboard, say "makes sense, guv'" or "crikey, 'e's gone bloody barmy!" when presented with a given argument or discussion? Are there irrational explosions and name-calling when presented with almost any topic? Is there some kind of effort to irrationally overpolice ideas or individuals, or perhaps shifting standards based on prejudice or pre-existing bias? Has the individual retreated into some kind of neurotic cocoon? I don't know about voting, but I know what art is. Then again, voting people off is an attempt at a democratic system. You mention popularity issues, but these already exist. To what extent are they divorced from ability or reasonability?

    Weelllll...as a member who did and does associate with SM...I have to disagree. James knows all about my association with him, and doesn't have a problem with me so far as I can tell. The entire issue was regrettable, but you have to admit that a little fire was heaped on that by, er, certain individuals. In any even it seems to have been applied case-by-case. I miss SM also, and I wish there could be some kind of mending of the ways.

    Apparently one can petition admins for return. I'll suggest that to him, and will report back on the kind of verbal slap-down he delivers to me.

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    Bells is right in her insinuation that personalities are omnipresent and do dictate things. Perhaps one should hire mods without the encumbrance of a personality?

    Regrettably, Dr. Lou and Baron Max have already been banned, however.
     
  8. geekzilla Banned Banned

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    I wouldn't mind betting your name is on a list....

    All the same some who were not involved in the original issue but seem to find merit in the individuals have been tarred and feathered by association and made to feel very unwelcome.



    Well you, of course, are a well-respected scientist. Not everyone is. Some just have an interest in it. Are such types no longer welcome? If not then I will go once more into the fray.

    I think you have enough personality to realise that some personalities do not make good mods.

    Well, well....
     
  9. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Bikini waxing rhapsodical

    I've no doubt. The assassins have been by twice this week already. Ninjas, I ask you.

    Well, you're half right. Go not into that darker night; the dawn may yet come.

    Your fine sentiments and impressive perspective are undeniable.

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    But, seriously, so do you. It's a simple test: does this strike you as a little crazy? If so, rinse it out and apply something else.

    It's true that some aren't cut out for it, getting too close to an issue; they approach the sun, and are scalded. Power should come with a certain reserve and dissemblance should not be a tool of management.
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    I could rehash what happened the last time it was tried. But really, what's the point? It is not as if I am going to be believed. I'm one of 'them'.. The evil moderators. We are apparently not individuals with ideals and opinions of our own. This is a recurring theme and one I am seeing again. We are 'one of someone apparently'.

    Suffice to say that I am a bit tired..

    The previous system that was tested and a voting system put in place was intended to be democratic, but it was not. Far from it. But you aren't going to believe me. I am a mod. So therefore, I am apparently not democratic and am only intent to suppress the masses.. Which is fine. I don't post here to make friends, nor do I moderate to make friends. People will make assumptions and base their opinions on their personal beliefs, regardless. I'll put it this way, I have just entered a stoush with a member I rarely say boo to because I won't tell her who is biased or make assumptions about any bias against her. We are one entity apparently.. And even though I don't really know what happened with her and whoever moderated her, I am one so therefore, I must tell her.

    So here we are, you are asking me a question that has been answered already.. Accusing, almost, of possibly stifling democracy.

    So here is my answer to your questions.

    'I don't know nothing. I just work here'. If you want to know, ask the administrators. Because I'm still waiting for answers to questions that I asked and yeah, I don't have an answer to give you.

    So..

    'I don't know nothing. I just work here'...

    Not from here they haven't.
     
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  11. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    I tried that 7 years ago on a poll in sciforums.
    It is an ongoing problem here, this forum is a shell of its former self, even long before gustav was banned.
     
  12. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Well, at least somebody is getting something out of it...

    Although, at this point I'd say I'm down from "grand scheme" to "general suggestion," but whatever...
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Neil Diamond would probably agree with you. Or possibly not. Actually I'm not sure this is the right esoteric reference. I'lll get back to you, unless I forget, which I probably will.

    Sorry.

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    Good God: a little sensitive, are we?

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    Calm thyself. I am not calling for your beheading, or even for a haircut. I am merely - I reiterate, merely - mulling over some ideas. Thinking out loud. No need to be defensive. I do agree that you are individuals with ideals and ideas and opinions that have been programmed into you by your evil overlord. I'm only wondering what might be done to improve traffic and what kind of format SF intends to achieve. Some of that interest is naturally bottom-up, some is top-down.

    In fact, the OP was kind of an interrogation - not of the kind with der Rack und also truncheon beatings! - of the body known as the Moderacy as to what they think about the direction of SF, which I agree have ideals and ideas and opinions as described above, with evil overlords et al. In fact, I am "polling the elected"; or "elect", however you prefer to think of it. And, also in fact, I have got some useful and interesting answers. Und so! your blood sacrifice is not required, or at least not until the next gibbous moon. Be at ease.

    I therefore proclaim this thread a success, and a national monument to East Korean ingenuity.

    A shocking oversight.

    In an unrelated question, when is the next gibbous moon, one wonders?
     
  14. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Eat shit and die, you petty fascist thug.

    By rights, you are overdue for a good strong kick in the teeth according to your shithead bullying and abuses of power.

    But not by advocating any illegal activities as such - nor riding roughshod over the presumption of innocense as you are.

    You may have heard of "Miranda rights" in the USA? I.e., when arresting a suspect (a "criminal" is someone who has been found guilty, not merely accused), the arresting officers are legally required to inform them of their right to remain silent and access legal council, for the express reason that it may help them avoid prosecution. This is not only not illegal - but any statements made without such a warning are inadmissible in court, exactly for reasons of due process.

    Likewise, your nutcase authoritarian legal standards would criminalize legal defense council, as Gustav has already noted in this very thread. You are openly advocating against due process, presumption of innosence, the right to council, etc. - the very foundations of modern jurisprudence - and not simply covering this site's ass from legal trouble. You are a thug and a brute, and the last person to lecture anyone on "due process."

    So how about you start taking it into account?

    The fuck there wasn't.

    Unless, y'know, the context changed. Which it did.

    You're the very last person here who has standing to complain about personal sniping. Who do you think you're fooling? You can barely go two posts without taking a cheap shot at somebody. You couldn't even resist calling Gustav "stupid" in your "mod-hat" post up-thread.

    You're a troll, not a "moderator" worthy of any sort of respect or deference. You've long-since pissed away all of your credibility on ugly displays of shitheaded bullying, and by now your exercises of power serve only to further inflame problems and degrade the forum as a whole. It's time for you to man up, resign, and go back under whatever bridge it is you reside beneath.
     
  15. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I'd kinda like to "re-examine the material," i.e., the deleted pamphlet, myself, but I'm wonderin' as to how I ought to go about that.

    I mean, if I post the material, I--apparently--am thereby implicitly endorsing it, right? How exactly does that work?

    And suppose I am responding to someone with whom I disagree. I quote the material they posted, and then I post my response below--but wait: in quoting the material they posted, am I not thereby agreeing with them and endorsing what they say?

    Fuck. What to do...
     
  16. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously though, "advis(ing) criminals how to avoid prosecution." Yeah. Setting aside the preposterously presumptive element there, what of it?

    I've got a bookshelf full of texts which "advise 'criminals' how to avoid prosecution," and many megabytes of text on my PC and Kindle. Where'd I get all this shit? Well, (partly) through freakin' legal channels--you know, you can buy such texts on Amazon, you can download (legally or otherwise) such texts from a gazillion websites, etc.

    So what is sciforums's (or a certain moderator's) beef with posting--while not tacitly endorsing--such material?
     
  17. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    September 10, or September 11 (UTC).
     
  18. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Why not, surely making GeoffP moderator of all forums is just what is needed? :m:
     
  19. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    If that's the case then both Bells and Tiassa should also be subjected to some form of sanction, after all, they both quoted from the material in question.
     
  20. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    I wish they would continue fighting out here. My popcorn was just done popping.
     
  21. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    The internet itself was a completely different beast.

    Every generation has its golden days, and wants to return to it.
    I would love to have seen sf before any order took place.
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Fond memories

    The Poetry War of 2003 is a pretty impressive display of indignant indignity. You can see a few familiar faces in that one, including myself, starting around page four. And, yes, gets really ugly.

    This is the sort of thing that absolutely does not fly here today. But it was also a day when many who dished could also take it. These days, it seems there are more who think that dishing and taking is a two-way street: They dish, everyone else takes, and that means we all have our part.

    Ah, fond memories.
     
  23. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently Colonel JamesR is extremely worried about being sued by the CCP for failing to conform to something like their draconian, authoritarian conceptions of criminal "justice."

    Meanwhile, here's a helpful list of 10 things you can do to get away with crimes:

    http://listverse.com/2007/08/16/top-10-tips-to-commit-the-perfect-crime/
     
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