Backgrounds in moderation

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by GeoffP, Aug 19, 2011.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    Not at all. I am projecting dismay at just how bad the situation has become. I do not dislike the other moderator. Quite the contrary. He has a right to his opinion.

    What I do dislike is this pervasive insistance that we do not dare question you in public, which you have reiterated about keeping it private when it pertains to your actions on this forum and your refusal to respond in public about your reasons..

    Same old.. same old..

    About that, yes, that is with them. But you reiterate it when you keep reminding us how it should not be held in public... God forbid we let on that we don't support your decisions..

    And I ask again, who are the criminals that we are hosting advice to?

    Did I say it did? But you remained silent about it hwen you posted, didn't you? You scoffed at my reasons as well..

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    Ask them what James? They were very clear in their posts. They have your full support and you have theirs. Marriage made in heaven, to be honest.

    Well you are down one troublemaker. How far are you going to go to get rid of the next one?

    Asking for you to step aside is hardly calling for your blood.

    Don't be so melodramatic.

    Wouldn't want to quote it directly in full. Suffice to say that you apparently don't owe anyone anything at all.

    *Scoff*

    So when you reminded everyone in that thread, after all had been said, that the thread was not the place for infighting, calling for resignations, for resigning over reasons given in that thread, etc, you actually had not read the fighting and resignation? In short, you posted about the fighting and resignation going on without having read about said fighting and resignation?

    Is this like the moderator support that you had for the bans that cannot be found?

    Please James.. Who do you think you're talking to?

    Well I hope you like the lamps, rugs and cushions my 'feminine touch' brought to the place.

    Oh I know it's very far from being the case.

    Very far.

    At the moment, since it appears you do not read the threads you post in and you apparently do not read what is posted before you comment directly about said posts, I am starting to think you are incompetent.. You are nowhere near omniscient and omnipresent.

    As for the resident sexist in the backroom.. well he can stay there for all I care. I am sure he will lumber in and cite his authority at some point or other. And when he does, I take it I have your full support to hold my own against him? Yes? Wonderful!

    Just keep it private.

    Stryder jokingly posted the 'Fight Club' link.. How right he is..

    It is unfortunate he is not the administrator. None of this would have happened if he was.

    Fitting mental image, if not disturbing.

    And I believe Hardly Normal sell the chairs you are looking for.

    If only that were true.

    Should I not call you stupid by asking you how stupid can you get again James?

    I had asked questions and not gotten a single answer from you. The members had asked and I kept saying, ask James.. And they did.. And you failed to answer a single one. Well you answered by banning.. but yeah..

    So about you not being remote and forbidding again...?

    The buck stops with you James. I have a beef with your leadership and your lack of accountability. I did raise the issue that developed with them, with them. As you know.

    And?

    Does not make your actions any less wrong James.

    Even if it is Gustav and even if he is "smiling quietly to himself" over my self-sacrifice on his supposed altar... Who it is is beside the point.

    Or did you miss that part?

    Instead of concentrating on the 'it's only Gustav' routine, you should concentrate on your actions.

    Ah yes, the big city.. where the innocent go and get lost in corruption..

    Because you often post in a thread and comment about what has been said in the thread without having read the thread...

    Hmm I'm sure an admin had given that advice to members before..

    I am sure you are disappointed each time the plebs talk back.

    You know who you ban James.

    Because it's better to keep it hush hush and sing 'we are family'..

    Oh.. you poor thing.

    Always doing the right thing..

    Funny that. So how is your reading skills James?

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    It signifies that I am not going to say a single word about your personal life or your outside and personal commitments.

    I'm acting as dump and as stupid as you take me when you exclaim that you had not read what was written even though you directly commented on what had been written in that thread...

    And I am asking you, which criminals was he giving advice to exactly?

    I saw no evidence that he was advocating criminal behaviour or providing criminals with advice on how to be criminals.

    Well they can be the moderator that supported you when you originally banned Gustav.

    Ah, so polite. Very original of you, Sir.
     
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  3. spuriousmonkey2 Banned Banned

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    to be honest, I cannot remember what exactly I said to gustav in PMs. reinstate the Mr Mac account and I can check.

    I remember that I might have hinted at something and he may have taken it wrong. Or maybe I remember it wrong.

    We are allowed to be human after all I think.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    This is why you should always always have email notification for your mails. Even if they ban you, your mail is still there. Just make sure you save a copy in the sent folder
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    SAM:

    I have previously invited any member who is interested in the lead-up to and eventually banning of spuriousmonkey to search his profile and look at his last posts. I have previously given detailed instructions on how to do that, which I will not repeat here.

    The ball's in your court at this point. Good luck.

    That need not concern you. It's secret moderator business.

    I have no idea what that means or why you consider it important or at all relevant to the present thread.

    Quit bugging me and go play somewhere else.

    You can't see the mod forum, so you have no idea what is or isn't happening there.

    Go find the evidence yourself.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you James, your response, as usual, is very indicative of your general attitude. And your "see there"+hand waving style of providing evidence is very thrilling and should be adopted by the forum at large
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Soo.. James..

    My my...

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  10. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    He did not come to me with that request for favor. You are making that up.

    I also can't smell what you're sniffing in this. Spurious didn't ask to be reinstated because he is a proud bastard. You are dutch, you can probably underatand that better than I do.
    That, and wanting to come back are not mutually exclusive feelings.

    Maybe gustav is aware of these mixed feelings and wants to give it a push... who knows.
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, I thought I read that in one of your posts.

    Well then, IF spurious didn't ask for it Gustav must be lying.
    Or perhaps he misunderstood Spurious, as spurious is suggesting (if that indeed was spuriousmonkey) in post 302.

     
  12. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure Gustav just likes to Champion things for kicks. This is part of his pitfalls and qualities.
     
  13. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    He could have automated the process by running a script.
     
  14. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Bells, I think you should expose these closet sexists. Let's see the true face of the people who are supposed to be impartially reviewing our posts, but that will dismiss a long time poster and respectable peer as being a little girl.

    Do it for the women of sf.
     
  15. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    He should be.

    1. He was the only one of you who managed to stay level headed this whole time.
    2. He was the only one who actually wrote to spurious to get clarification.
    3. He is already doing all the heavy lifting anyway (look at all the bots in the ban list) he's the one doing the cleanup.)
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Bells,

    Most of your post doesn't really deserve a reply. But...

    Now I have a "pervasive insistence" all of a sudden. Where does this insistence manifest itself, I wonder.

    And now it's "we" all of a sudden.

    You seem to have some bug about me not being available to respond to you 24 hours a day. Either explain exactly what your problem is, or else drop that attitude. I resent your implication that I ought not to be allowed to live my life outside sciforums.

    We're not hosting advice to criminals. That's the point. Gustav's post, in particular, was directly addressed to people who were involved in the London riots, who committed crimes and who thought they might have been caught on CCTV. We're not hosting advice for them. Get it?

    Reasons for what? Resigning? They have changed several times over the course of the current thread, as far as I can see. Now, apparently, it's all about me.

    Nobody kicked you out, Bells. You resigned. Remember. I didn't have to go very far to get rid of you. You got rid of yourself, without me having to intervene in any way at all.

    "Troublemaker", by the way, is your description, not mine. Are you planning to follow SAM's lead?

    It's a metaphor. It adds colour to a post. I didn't start the whole "storming the castle" motif. That was Tiassa. But I'm taking it and running with it. I may as well have some fun while I'm here at 3 am.

    I skimmed it. At the time, as I posted, I had time only to comment very briefly. In fact, I still haven't got back to that thread.

    Yeah. It's my pervasive lies again. I just can't help it.

    I'm not sure any more.

    Once again, you're trying to give readers the impression that I wrote about your "feminine touch". I never did. That wasn't me. And I resent your attempt to drag my name into that kind of bullshit.

    I do not read every post in every thread, even in ones that I comment in. I seriously doubt whether you do either. In the case of your melodramatic resignation thread in the Moderators forum, I skimmed the posts I saw. I was short on time. I posted a "hold your horses and let's not be too hasty here" post. Next time I logged in, you had announced your resignation to the world. At no time did I "comment directly on said posts". If I had done that I would have quoted and responded much as I am doing in this post.

    Well I'm glad we've sorted out that confusion.

     
  17. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Unless he's the closet pig

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    Lol, btw:

    Run along, little girl!
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It's not my fault if you're so incompetent that you can't manage to find spuriousmonkey's profile, despite explict instructions provided by me to you on more than one occasion.
     
  19. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Can't say Ilm not guilty of the same.
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You said it.
     
  21. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Bells, nobody kicked you out, you resigned. Just like mods don't ban users, users get themselves banned. Just like men don't rape women, women get themselves raped.

    They had it coming.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yes. Nobody saw that coming. It was completely out of the blue.

    Not quite right. Try again.

    Completely wrong, and offensive besides.

    Let's be quite clear here, Varda. Are you accusing me of being sexist or a misogynist? If so, now's the time to present your evidence. Or else, you can withdraw that nasty accusation.
     
  23. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I had much the same experience recently with Tiassa, and yet he Tiassa criticizes James for this. It strikes me that the "dire new regulations" that get bandied about the forum seem to be hypocritically interpreted. When one group does it, good. When another does, not good. Four legs good, four legs bad.

    Bells, you did kind of have a minor flip when I even suggested a reshuffling of the moderators. I didn't even call for anyone to step down. But this is the same thing; hypersensitivity and double standards all around. Stryder - I think it was Stryder - mentioned that the forum has developed into two camps. I agree; one is strident, and the other perseveres under that strident disregard for honesty and fair play. The former rails about the horrors that the plebs are forcing them to ("you get the forum you want"), and then engages in same. Why do you think people think the place is largely top-down? Simple. Because the same camp is making it that way; calls to enforce the rules devolve into infantile threats, dire imprecations and calumny. "You get the forum you want"? No. You get the forum that you play by. Enjoy.
     
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