Neverfly, I don't think the idea of the theory is nonsense, although some folks will use it nonsensically to back up their ideas. You being a prime example. If you have psychology sources to back up your concept, be my guest. Are you suggesting that evolution is intelligent? I didn't agree with you. You stated we CANNOT directly observe reality. If you actually knew this was true then your statement would be a contradiction. Do you get it? I said; The conclusion drawn from it is reality as far as it is understood to be, not reality period. Another way to look at it is to understand that reality is everything, we only need understand it. Not that reality is over there while we're over here. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! You didn't understand my point. Did you? LOL!! Of course it would because there is no way to access it by scientific method. Are you always this silly, or are you putting on a special show for me. Do you know what supernatural means? Are you aware that there are millions of claims of what is considered supernatural events throughout all known time (including now)? Are you going to tell me that they were and are all deluded? You're a cheeky monkey, aren't you (pun intended) Are you suggesting that evolution demonstrates a lack of God? Proof? No, I'm suggesting evolution does not demonstrate a lack of God, unless one wants it to. Yes. Why would you risk the chance of losing your money on such idiotic reasoning? Because that is what you have thus far revealed. The fact that you think spending 5 years in a ministry means you develop understanding of God, secures my claim. Another reason why I know you understand zilch is that you see no value someone admiting they know very little about a subject matter. Also, you have no idea how great God (or even the concept) actually is. The enquirey has nothing to do with Gods existence. It is asking you to clarify the claim of knowing that God is not the original cause. No. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I asked you to explain how you know God is not the original cause. It's a simple question, as an intelligent science/evolution/rational/logical/atheist person, I'm sure you can do better than; "How do you know my invisible pink unicorn did not tell me so?" Here's yo chance to shine baby. jan.