I think it should be pretty clear from my posting here, even from just the posts that I know JDawg has read, that my stance is not based My mother is agnostic. My father is an atheist. My mother had bouts of belief. I think it would be clearest to say she was a neo-Christian who distrusted the church. I am not an atheist. I am not agnostic. I am not a Christian. I do distrust churches. I was never once told to think this. I attended public schools. I am a theist. The closest shorthand I can come up with is to say I am a pantheist with polytheistic qualities, toss in some animism. And let me tell you, no one was telling me this all my life. You have no idea what you are talking about. And your claim that you can dismiss my arguments or opinions because 'I have been told...' etc. is ad hom. You actually have to work to show they are worth dismissing.