they do? is this well established? how exactly did you come to acquire this knowledge that "theists think we have to have believed in god, or reject god for some reason, and can't understand, that we simply do not believe, and perhaps never have"? do you speak for all theists? are you psychic? moreover, not being a theist yourself, how can you possibly purport to "understand the mindset" of a theist? ahhh, so it seems--wavering a bit, are we? and i'm not quite sure what you mean by "convolve." do you realize how utterly absurd this sounds? and because you have had this experience with a few theists, you are making these claims on behalf of all theists? fascinating. whatever. personally, i find it rather difficult to take you seriously, given the claims you've made above. at the same time, i am quite intrigued.