Assisted suicide - thought?

Can't stop displaying your contempt, eh? Perhaps you should quit trolling while you still have a shred of dignity left.

 

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That's just childish of you to say.

In the US, a citizen can contact their representative in the US Congress and express their concern, or start a political party or other political action. These are your rights, guaranteed by the US Constitution.

To take your wrath, disgust and other negativity out on others who are not related to any political institution or function under the same jurisdiction as your, when for you there exists a real way to deal with the issue (ie. contacting your representative in the US Congress and express your concern, or start a political party or other political action) is just misguided and immature.


(And I'm not American, by the way.)

 

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Agreed.

That is not the only thing that you are not.

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Clearly, this is not what I referred to as "childish."

I was very clear:

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In the US, a citizen can contact their representative in the US Congress and express their concern, or start a political party or other political action. These are your rights, guaranteed by the US Constitution.

To take your wrath, disgust and other negativity out on others who are not related to any political institution or function under the same jurisdiction as your, when for you there exists a real way to deal with the issue (ie. contacting your representative in the US Congress and express your concern, or start a political party or other political action) is just misguided and immature.

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I think this above is a very cynical, so much so that it is an immature view for a citizen to hold.
If this is what the US culture is essentially about, then it is no suprise that the situation there is progressively worsening. So much bad faith!

Like the saying goes - Citizens get the country that they deserve.

 

And yet throughout this whole thread, until now, you have simply assumed that I am American (although often in discussions, I point out that I am not), and argued from there. This is a very bad practice on a forum that you know is international.

 

Likewise.

 

@wynn --

You haven't answered a single question you've been asked in this thread. I, personally, have asked you two or three questions to which I've gotten literally zero response, and they weren't irrelevant questions. Before you try to get all "high and mighty" on me, perhaps you should look at exactly why I'm responding to you in the way that I am.

I thought that you were supposed to be spiritual? And I was under the impression that part of "spirituality" was self-reflection(I know it's a part of my spirituality)? How did that scripture go? Something like "take the plank out of your own eye before attempting to remove the speck from your brother's". Something like that anyways.

Given how you've acted and the fact that you've not made one salient point in this entire thread, I'm perfectly justified in treating you with contempt. You've earned that much.

Now, are you going to answer the questions? Or are you going to continue trolling?

 

I am not naive. I just don't share your immature and cynical attitude toward politics and being a citizen.

:shrug:

 

Reported.

 

One problem with being a "poser" is no-one believes anything you say after a while.

Do you report everyone whom you disagree with or just those who ask you pointed questions?

You seem very angry much of the time - why is that? ESL?

 

Do you know what projection is, in psychology?

 

So how is it that Adstar and that Knowledge guy gets banned but not wynn, who is a very similiar troll? He keeps going around in circles and never makes a valid point. Just like the "Hubble telescope proves creation" thread.

No one can dictate another person's life while that person is conscious. I don't care what it is. You can give them advice, but you cant control them. If they want to do something, they do it! Why the hell is it any different for suicides? If the person says they want it, then do it! What's the problem here? People cut themselves intentionally all the time. I don't see anyone saying to make it illegal. WTF? PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO. Even if its stupid. Why is it any different for assisted suicide??????

 

I have encountered folks online working in PRC computer cafe sweatshops whose' English was very good - that is why the PRC gave them the job. Cultural intolerance is a flag, skill with the English language notwithstanding. Persistent intolerance of my Buddhist practice and baiting attempts concerning your' wife's practice raises questions of motivation.

So to answer your' question - no, I do not know whether he is or is not a native English speaker. :shrug: ESL would at least offer an excuse for not understanding the nuance of these conversations and the frequent dust - ups that result from that.

Now this ^ is more along the lines of how a troll responds to a direct question. He sidesteps your' question and instead infers that you are "projecting" while responding to your question with a question. The implication is then that you have a problem but refuse to acknowledge it, instead perceiving that problem in him. This move is meant to put you on the defensive while inferring that he has a superior knowledge of psychology in his arsenal.

There is a dotted line between participating in a discussion and saying things to get others riled up, upset, hurt or angry. A troll straddles that line at best and crosses it as often as possible. The behavior becomes a pattern that is easily discernible after a while.

As for kindness, honestly speaking the truth as I perceive and understand it is compassionate in my view, and compassion is the embodiment of kindness. I encourage everyone to be open and honest with everyone else.

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For the record, Wynn has never struck me as a troll.

However I note this thread seems to be derailing into bickering...

My main worry about assisted suicide is not the assisted suicide itself, but our abysmally-managed for-profit system.

It's much cheaper to stall, stall, stall on treatment until the person really IS terminal, then hand them 50$ worth of opiates to overdose and kill themselves on.

Would our insurers do that? SURE!

 

@wynn --

For what violation of the rules did you report me? So far as I know, despite my slightly bitter and exasperated tone, there were no infractions in my posts. Sure, I've called you a troll, but that's because I recognize in your patterns of behavior many troll-like qualities(the constant tendency to derail threads, the absolute refusal to support assertions, the defensive reaction to any sort of confrontation, the projection of your own behaviors onto others in the thread, your stark refusal to admit that you're ever wrong, I could go on and on) and I'm one who's not afraid to call a spade a spade.

I haven't reported you yet because while I see you as a troll(from my years of experience in dealing with them), you have a knack for hiding your trollish content in a web of words designed to fend off mods. This isn't the first time I've encountered such behavior, and I know it won't be the last, but that doesn't mean that I have to just sit back and let you go on unchallenged.

Your implication through your posts that I and others are projecting when we accuse you of simply not answering many of the questions you've been asked is disingenuous and flatly contradicted by the content of this and many other threads. Personally I dislike your stance in this thread and think, with good and documented reasons, that you're full of shit in that regard. However when have I ever done anything but ask, and then demand, that you support the many assertions you've made in this thread? That's all I've asked of you and yet you've consistently responded either with defensive contempt(I seem to remember a saying about people in glass houses here) or simply by ignoring me. This suggests that you simply can not defend your position and simply wish it to be accepted on the strength of your emotions for it, and that simply won't happen.

So let me ask you again. Is a person who is terminally ill harming another person if they decide to don a gas hood?

 

@Fraggle --

I'll treat Wynn with more kindness when her behavior begins to warrant it, until then I'll respond with the contempt and ridicule that her unintelligible positions warrant. I can have a civilised conversation even with people who I vehemently disagree with so long as they're willing to engage in the conversation and it's not this one-way crap that I get from Wynn and others. However once the insults(such as the claim that I have "rotting morals"), the "high and mighty" behavior, and the obstinate refusal to answer questions begins, then the people have lost any right they may have had to expect kind words from me.

 

Well, the people who assist would get charged with murder.
Doctors who hand out an LD of pills can't legally do that.
Were I dying and in a lot of pain, I'd love to sip myself away on one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brompton_cocktail

As far as cutting, people will freak out if they catch you at it and try to have you locked up.