Artificial Intelligence

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Norsefire, Jul 5, 2008.

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  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    OK, we will not go into detail. I simply feel that we Humans are special in our ability to think and imagine and wonder and want, and in this way, we can even defeat nature itself. We are Humanity.
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    I agree that we are unique on this Earth in our abilities to manipulate our surroundings. But that doesn't mean other lifeforms are less than we are.
    In fact, the sheer number of humans combined with their unique abilities is destroying the natural environment as we speak.
    We, just like any other organism, need an healthy environment to survive.
     
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  5. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but there is a fundamental difference between our value in our being to other creatures' value in what they offer. Other creatures are only valuable so long as they continue to do what they do. They are mere tools. It does not matter if one dies, it is easily replaced.

    We humans, on the other hand, are not replaceable. We are each unique, and each valuable.
     
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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    See.. the way you talk here irritates the hell out of me.
    By the way, I reject objective value because it simply doesn't exist. Value is wholly subjective.
    Do you see my point ?

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  8. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    i believe ancient humans were more evolved spiritually, and they could see spirits. but when we became materialistic, we lost many of our spiritual abilities. i believe this because this is what the history books say.
     
  9. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Of course it is. And we are subjecting our value of ourselves to our own will, and thus, objecting it.
     
  10. Enmos Staff Member

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    What history books ?
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    I don't follow how subjecting our value to our will makes value objective (if that's what you meant).
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Because we're the only creatures who have will, thus, our will is the only will and THE will.
     
  13. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    the bible and other myths and legends.
     
  14. Enmos Staff Member

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    That's correct, myths and legends. Not history books.
     
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    Says who ? Does a dog have no will ? Or a dolphin ?
     
  16. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, dogs don't have will, they only have instinct.
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Myths and legends that have figurative meaning.
     
  18. Enmos Staff Member

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    And not a literal one. And the figurative meaning doesn't have to be truth anyway..
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    Alright, we're through then.
     
  20. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Literal, well, that is unknown. We can't say for sure that some of the Biblical events didn't happen, or that they did

    But figuratively, there is a moral to each and every story. And a message. Perhaps it was intended to be figurative and philosophical, I don't know.
     
  21. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Hey, it's true.
     
  22. Enmos Staff Member

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    How do you propose to get proof for a soul from ancient texts of which we don't even know what to take literal and what to take figurative ?
     
  23. Enmos Staff Member

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    I'm just saying we reached a stalemate.
     
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