Articles on the Nature of Thought

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Imahamster, Jan 18, 2002.

  1. kula (Memes enclosed) within Registered Senior Member

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    Thought (imagination ?) may be the quality that programs our DNA and powers evolution forward towards what we 'imagine' we will need to survive.

    It could also be the force that 'fixes' quantum states into measurable patterns.

    Here are a few more of my thoughts on the matter (as it were !)

    http://www.mtvdance.com/artists/magic lamp/geometry of conciousness.htm

    kula
     
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  3. Alsophia Theophilos Registered Senior Member

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    Great to see someone appears to be on the right track. Thought, maybe "gnosis" (a broader, more inclusive "thought" , haha) is the cutting edge of evolution. The poor little birdies who blew up on the shores of the pacific islands "knew" that to survive they would have to genetically adapt, and quickly. Hence the rapid and diverse evolution of their species. Understanding the mechanics of this process is where we need to search.
     
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  5. kula (Memes enclosed) within Registered Senior Member

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    Since my previous post i have found some info on how sperm changes. It desribes the hormones in the male effected the hormone content of the sperm (which has a cycle of a couple of weeks in humans). For example, a males testosterone is dependent on the level of the fathers at the time the sperm is produced. So even uncounscious bodily reactions to the environment can produce changes that are dependent on the experience of the organism. So what can we do with directed imagination ? Bio-feedback also sounds promising, but i'm using that as a buzz word as i dont fully understand what it means.

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  7. Alsophia Theophilos Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting. I believe it is the Hindhu story of creation that said all creation (this world and all of infinity) was/is/will be the result of "God's" self relection (thought). Something like, and I paraphrase greatly, He was sitting in the depths of empty space and realized that He was all ALONE, and became frightened. Then He reasoned that if He were all alone (all one) there was nothing to be frightened of. And this created the universes. Maybe a better story than the "big bang". I have always thought that physics should include consciousness. You know, time and space. What is it without some awareness?
     
  8. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    i think we think in IMAGES. we dream in images, not text of mathematical formula, or hieroglyphics, or cuniform, but in images. NDEs OBEs are images.

    Mythology predates both philosophy and religion and was orignally preliterate, and based on associative images...ie., an enitity like say for example a snake meant many different association of meanings....Tree etc. like poetry, which it is. visual poetry
     
  9. Dano9700 Registered Senior Member

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    If for every sensation that our bodies perceive, there is a unique neural pathway is created, perhaps there is a corresponding neural pathway that records the memory of this perception.

    Can't you hear, see, smell, feel, and even taste in your memory? The sensation isn't as strong, of course, but it's there, something is there.

    To say we think in images is only partly right. We think mostly in images, but we perceive most of 'reality' through sight as well.
    I'd say we think according to all of our senses, or according our brains' representations of sensual experiences.
     
  10. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, of course. when we allow image, we allow all sensuality.
    for me the most powerful memories are ones that come with a gestalt....a sense of what the scent was when you were 'there'--and the whole feeling-bubble of the remembered event. you can suddenly find yourself in this kind of memory and it is really entrancing

    but also, image isn't 'partly'...even if there doesn't seem to be the other senses bar perception and feeling. for example, dreams, we usually remember the images dont we?

    I hav also read stuff from modern consciousness research, and have experienced similar myself. so say a person has taken hallucinogenic substance, or had induced a non-ordinary state of consciousness through another means. they can 'remember'--called 'regression' in shrink speak. so remembering being a young pre-pubescent kid will bring the feeling of having no pubic hair, of scent, of everying being a child is. this means that all of that is recorded in our bodymind, and can be accessed under the appropriate conditions
     
  11. Onefinity Registered Senior Member

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    Do you think thought can ever be used to describe thought "objectively"?
     
  12. c'est moi all is energy and entropy Registered Senior Member

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    This is the right direction for new journals. Thanks for the link!

    BBS is the internationally renowned journal with the innovative format known as Open Peer Commentary. Particularly significant and controversial pieces of work are published from researchers in any area of psychology, neuroscience, behavioural biology or cognitive science, together with 10–25 commentaries on each article from specialists within and across these disciplines, plus the author's response to them. The result is a fascinating and unique forum for the communication, criticism, stimulation, and particularly the unification of research in behavioural and brain sciences from molecular neurobiology to artificial intelligence and the philosophy of the mind. As Cambridge continues its philosophy of moving towards fully online submission, refereeing and commentary, see preprints of articles currently undergoing commentary at http://www.bbsonline.org
     
  13. genep Guest


    The nature of thought is that there are thoughts but no such thing as thinking. And thoughts are Reality's nothing, fiction.

    There can be no such thing as thinking because it is just a thought. This has been obvious in the East for over 5000 years. It is called non-duality, Advaita. Advaita comes to us from the Supreme Science which is the “study of thoughts.”
    The Supreme Science gives us everything that modern physics gives us 5000 years later.

    It all has to do with physics' quantum-gap that makes particles just thoughts, fiction, nothing.

    I am utterly certain that I cannot think because I Laugh every time I think that I am more real than is Mickey Mouse in the TV set.

    This Laughter is the "Supreme Comedy."
    Call it “me” or call it Mickey Mouse -- they are both the same, fiction, thoughts -- the Supreme Comedy.
     
  14. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    Heh. I would only say come and post your ultimate truth to all of my threads which beg for them in relation to myself! (ex. freethought section: Bizare(?) relation a reality;.. there are a lot: also in the free thought section: mental health and the existentialists; clarify my situation (the worst of them all); and in the general philosophy section: Please, describe to me something.... I am not suggesting, I am more asking. I have problems.) And I see this thread as.. plainly awesome.

    Good thread. Wish I could find the answer to the nature of thought! Has to be out there, right?
     
  15. Mavrix Guest

    I think a thought is only a thought with awareness. Awareness must be the key.

    The less awareness (senses) in a being the less it can think on its on.

    Organisms, virii, and bugs, dont exactly think as much as its programmed to do that.

    Then we get into animals, wich have more intelligence and more awareness.

    Finally human, with complete self realization bringing them a big awareness and strong ability to use the mind to create thoughts.

    Other beings have this to a much lesser degree.
     
  16. Gadfly365 Registered Member

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    I think the brain and the outer world are just like two concentric circles, and
    any point on one circle has its certain counterpart on another circle.In other words, one piece of sensual experience will induce one state of brain while one state of brain will represent one piece of of experience.
    By technology of BCI(brain-computer interface)we can find what object is in a person's mind after detecting the bioelectrical state of his brain, and electrical retina implant has given a way to import signals into brain to induce corresponding sensual experience.
     
  17. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    Most of the links on this page don't even work anymore, especially on the first page.
     
  18. Reiku Banned Banned

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    ''Thought (imagination ?) may be the quality that programs our DNA and powers evolution forward towards what we 'imagine' we will need to survive.

    It could also be the force that 'fixes' quantum states into measurable patterns.''

    This is good stuff.

    ''I think a thought is only a thought with awareness. Awareness must be the key.

    The less awareness (senses) in a being the less it can think on its on.

    Organisms, virii, and bugs, dont exactly think as much as its programmed to do that.

    Then we get into animals, wich have more intelligence and more awareness.

    Finally human, with complete self realization bringing them a big awareness and strong ability to use the mind to create thoughts.

    Other beings have this to a much lesser degree.''

    Spot on. I am glad to see someone is involving a model of awareness into a logical theory.

    ''I think the brain and the outer world are just like two concentric circles, and
    any point on one circle has its certain counterpart on another circle.In other words, one piece of sensual experience will induce one state of brain while one state of brain will represent one piece of of experience.
    By technology of BCI(brain-computer interface)we can find what object is in a person's mind after detecting the bioelectrical state of his brain, and electrical retina implant has given a way to import signals into brain to induce corresponding sensual experience.''

    And what can i say? Brilliant again. I was just talking about bioelectric conditions.

    Reiku
     
  19. sreeja Registered Member

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    I am also interested in knowing about nature.
     
  20. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    The mirror all around us:

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    If you were the only observer in the universe, what would you observe? What would it 'mean'?
    Why bother to remember any of it, or observe it even?

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    The idea that we can "stop thinking" is related to the (Oriental) notion of "calming the mind". I don't believe it is possible to "stop" the mind, but the "inner conversation" that most of us recognise as thought can certainly be quietened.

    If our brains could "stop" there would be narcoleptic humans everywhere, waiting around for their brains to start up again...(why does that sound familiar?!).

    Thinking you can stop thinking is a non-sequitur. Which means it doesn't follow. You can no more consider this possibility than say, a wave could stop 'waving', or heat could stop 'heating', or change could stop 'changing'.

    I agree with this completely.
    Abstraction is a process. Thoughts aren't static, like words on a page. A book is a channel that projects 'information' at us.
    What is a book? What's a book with words in it if it gets lost somewhere, or turned into thermal energy and ashes? The books are in our heads.
     
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  21. KKondakci Registered Member

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    While this is not a link to a site, it is about an incredible book I read recently written by a one Norman Doidge, M.D. on how thoughts effect the architecture of our brains. It is a sort of pioneering book that gives us a look into this new field dubbed "Neuroplastics"
     
  22. SlowDeath Closed eyes but still I see! Registered Senior Member

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    If you are unable to believe we are living in a real world then hit your finger with a hammer, hard. You will quickly get a handle on reality.

    As far as thoughts, thinking etc are bandied about on this thread it is seemingly missed by most that " thoughts "' are things, real...Therefore they possess matter in some form or other, as does light and sound. Now the question maybe better put, " What are WE? ".

    Let me elucidate.

    But first:

    This would be easier understood if you first try to understand your own reality needs matter, energy, space and time to explain everything it is aware of and uses this same rational to explain to itself what it becomes aware of newly put to you.

    Now:

    You are a STATIC.

    A Static= Possesses no matter, no energy, has no space nor time.
    A Static is= The creator of matter, energy, space and time.

    You must agree that even thought is a self creation then you, as self are indeed a STATIC.

    Oh yeah, another important point. You, as a Static, are also immortal. Not your body...YOU!

    Cool huh.
     
  23. ili Registered Member

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    Thought is a response of the mind like a thrown pebble is to the ripples of the pond it lands in.
     

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