Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver separate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by diane, May 10, 2011.

  1. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know much about Maria, but Arnold is one of my all time favorite actors. I've watched everything he's done more than once. He's had quite a career and before he was an actor he was Mr. America and Mr. Universe and repeated for a few years. Then after a long acting career he ran for Governor of California and won, two terms and despite being a republican I think he did a good job as Governor.

    I don't know what his personal marriage problems were, but 25 years and 4 kids sounds like a success story to me, and I don't like negative gossip about his or her personal life. What ever he plans to do now I'm sure it will be something impressive.
     
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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    The kids will be fine. They live in LA, no one's parents stay married long in LA, as a matter of fact they're probably looked at as freaks because they don't have more than one step-parent. They'll still see both parents, maybe even benefit from 'guilt gifts'. I think they just had their run, grew apart, lost their flame, discovered they might be happier apart than putting up a bored brave face.

    Have you seen Noah Baumbach's 'The Squid and The Whale'? Its a very good film, a little strange but honest look at a dead marriage and what happens when a family is affected by divorce. At the end of the day the separation was a liberation for everyone involved.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    If having had their run means he was bonking a member of their household staff, had a child with her and kept it secret for 10 years and waited until after the staff member "retired" after 20 years of "service" this year and his time in office ran out, before he told his wife about the affair and the child? Sure, then I guess you could say they had their run.


    Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, separated after she learned he had fathered a child more than a decade ago — before his first run for office — with a longtime member of their household staff.

    Shriver moved out of the family's Brentwood mansion earlier this year, after Schwarzenegger acknowledged the paternity. The staff member worked for the family for 20 years, retiring in January.


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  7. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I've been mad about this all day. The continued to work for them for 10 years after having the kid. I wonder if Maria helped throw a baby shower.
     
  8. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    The bonking wouldn't have happened if there wasn't already something amiss in their marriage so...

    Just think about it. How do you ensure you get out of a marriage? I mean how do you really sabotage it without having all the conversations and marriage counseling? How do you scream I WANT OUT to your mate? You bonk the maid or the best friend. Works every time

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    It doesn't surprise me. Here he has Maria the Kennedy, the facade of a great marriage and family life. A couple who's image belongs to the public in terms of visibility and expectation. I'm not surprised he broke the union by doing something that's impossible to fix or come back from. I put Sandra Bullocks husband in the same category. Bruce Willis did the same thing when he had an affair with the nanny:shrug:
     
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  9. Bells Staff Member

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    It's the damage to his children is what makes this nasty. He may have wanted to get out of the marriage, who really knows. A condom does not go astray so that you don't destroy whatever trust your own children may have in you. I mean one of his children has changed his last name to that of his mother's maiden name on twitter. He may have wanted out of the marriage or he may not have. Either way, it would be a miracle for him if she took him back. Aside from that, his relationship with his children will be forever changed as it's hard to get that kind of trust and respect back. And making it public? Seriously? Could he humiliate her and their children further?

    And how could she continue to work there for 10 more years before requesting retirement and being given a severance package for said retirement? That is wrong on so many levels.
     
  10. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    True as such, but you might be surprised at how muted that damage can end up being - he's the only father they've got, and as hurt as they may be, alienating themselves from him isn't actually going to improve their happiness. These sorts of things happen pretty frequently, and relationships between parents and children (particularly, adult children) do seem to generally more-or-less survive them. Take it from somebody who knows.
     
  11. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Life is damaging. They'll be fine.

    As for the maid, I wouldn't speculate. You don't know what she was feeling nor her circumstances. I don't expect Maria to take him back and I would suspect he really doesn't want to go back, same as with Demi's and Sandra's husbands. Its just a cowardly way of sabotaging a marriage when you already want out. I don't think this is a conscious, self-aware motivation.
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily. He might have just thought he was powerful enough to get away with it.
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Oh ok. So you are saying he loved his wife and was blissfully happy in his marriage and home life but then decided to do something that would destroy who and what he loves? Yeah right

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  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    He could just have a lack of empathy, and Maria was shallow enough not to notice. I don't trust when famous people marry other famous people, it's suspicious.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Oh so now you're saying that he lacks empathy. Isn't empathy a component of love? Don't blame Maria by casting her as 'shallow'. They were married for some 25 years. Its suspicious also to marry within your religion, race and economic and social cultural group. We should send a memo out about that.:bugeye:
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    It's all just speculation about any and all of their motives or reactions.

    I just think it's nasty and to make a public announcement of it. It is a private thing between himself and his family. He came out and made it public, compounding her humiliation and the same goes for their children.

    And of course, more details of their affair becomes more public, the worse it looks for him:

    Ms Baena was reportedly a housekeeper/assistant who cleaned, cooked and did laundry for the former Governor's family.

    However, entertainment website TMZ quoted sources who alleged that Ms Baena began to "pursue Arnold" in the late 90s.

    It also reported that Ms Baena allegedly told friends the couple had had unprotected sex during the day at the family's house.

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    A link from that story led to this:


    Patty never slept overnight at the house and no one ever caught them in the act.

    We're told when she became pregnant, she didn't tell Arnold he was the father. Arnold didn't learn he was the daddy until the boy was a toddler.

    Patty -- who made $1,200 a week -- was treated well by Arnold once he found out. Sources say Arnold was always "generous."

    Patty -- who has recently retired -- now lives in a 4 bedroom house with a pool, several hours outside of L.A. with the boy and her 3 other kids.


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    /Facepalm..

    They were screwing in the family home when she wasn't there. Really? And she kept working for them?

    No wonder she was the one to move out of the family home. You'd be forever wondering if they'd bonked on all the furniture when no one was home.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think Lucy is right. He wanted to sabotage the relationship. Or maybe he knew she wanted an out - since she was apparently only staying together for the political relationship - and he gave it to her. Why else would he tell her now? They'd kept it under wraps for more than a decade already.

    But I'm wondering, is it better to be honest in cases like this even if it breaks up the relationship? He was already infamous for groping various women so it can't have been a total surprise. What about the woman's husband?
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    I have to agree. It's not that it's impossible, it's just that it's improbable that there aren't ulterior motives. And when those relationships end in publicity, I have even more trouble sympathizing with either party. If you wanted privacy and a "normal" life, then you should not have pursued the very thing that removes it. Sort of selfish to demand the goods but bemoan the costs.

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  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I read that his 17 yr old son Patrick is planning on changing his name to Patrick Shriver. That's one pissed off kid
     
  20. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's sad. His opening line to her was "You got a nice ass Maria".
     
  21. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Well Ladies, he's that classic "Confident" powerful man you all like to go for...he's got 4 kids with at least half his "Confident" potentially asshole DNA floating around. And so on...

    Stop breeding with the type, or generally shut the fuck up when the cheat. lol
     
  22. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    QFT!!!! Also, I'm predicting that this kid will soon change his name to reflect his dads, and become a Hollywood mega-star. If his Mom is smart (which I think she is) she'll realize that she has a living breathing multi-million dollar lottery ticket. Now that this story has gone public I'm sure the Hollywood talent agencies are blowing up her phone at this very moment.

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