Arguments for and against the existence of God

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Alan McDougall, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think it really matters in this case.

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    What is *unmanifest* matter vs regular matter?

    Sort of. You can obviously light your house on fire and destroy it. It's more accurate to say that energy cannot be created nor destroyed... only converted and / or compressed. In the history of our particular universe, there was quite a bit of time where there was no matter (in fact matter didn't show up until the recombination period).

    For something to be eternal means time is a seperate entity that exists infinitely. That hasn't been demonstrated to be the case. Additionally matter obviously isn't eternal... it didn't even show up until the recombination period of the universe. Energy on the other hand would fully exist for the duration of an finite / illusionary / emergent time period. Even in the absence of time, it may simply exist in another form and be transformable via some other process.


    I agree with most of it because of accurate statements. I disagree with any other parts because they are not accurate.
     
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  3. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    This would involve a sequence as in from no time to time or one form to another no?
     
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  5. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Possibly. Take M-Theory for example. In that model, our universe is a "brane" of n-dimensions... one of them proposed as being time. But those branes come and go in a much larger structure known as "the bulk" or "Calibi Yao Space". This means one important thing... we really don't know what the heck time is; however, assuming it is a dimension of our universe then there may be other means of change outside of it which may behave similarly or very differently.
     
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  7. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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    Time and entropy are really two names for the same thing!

    Without time the universe would have remained forever at a nonfunctional zero entropy, where abslutely nothing happens.

    With time entropy flows always reaching out to maximum entropy and the ultimate death of all thing, us including us mere mortals
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Time is a separation of moments in a system. Entropy is the degree of disorder in a system.

    That might be a possibility. It might not. We don't know enough about reality to say either way.

    Not entirely correct as death is only something that applies to biological life... but close enough.
     
  9. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    No, I think in zero entropy the universe would just go out of existence and not reappear.
     
  10. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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    I know all about entropy being a power station engineer for over some 30 years. By keep the entropic state as low as possible we can increase the efficiency and productivity of our huge turbines
     
  11. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Which explains the incorrect statement that entropy and time are the same thing.

    Correct.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Hilarious. :bravo:
     
  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Each lap can be begun and ended.
    Spectators can watch the runners as they go past each time.
    And if watches are reset to t=0 at the start of each lap...
    :shrug:
     
  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    ... he says as he finishes another lap.
     
  15. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    This is the begging the question how an infinite number of laps run would look as a whole.
     
  16. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe I should have said entropy and time are tightly intertwined and one cannot exist without the other
     
  17. BWE1 Rulers are for measuring. Registered Senior Member

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    Can anyone define God into anything at all meaningful? I don't think so but I'm open to suggestions.
     
  18. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Human characteristics being projected onto reality or some aspect(s) of it.
     
  19. BWE1 Rulers are for measuring. Registered Senior Member

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    that's cheating.

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  20. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Very dull I'd imagine. Bit like a Formula 1 race... just a few miles longer.

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    But the simple answer to that begged question is "I don't know".

    Do you now expect me to slap my forehead and go "Doh! Of course - it must have been God" - 'cos that way lies the God of the Gaps.

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  21. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    That's it, can we ever have infinite knowledge since we and everything we observe are finite.
     
  22. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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    Something , however, must be infinite and eternal call it God or call it existence. Existence goes further than the creation of our universe, it includes every possibility that the word existence could encompass
     
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  23. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, God must be eternal and infinite however all possible modalities can not exist infinitely as proven by infinite regress they being possible is enough i.e. only God must exist.
     
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