Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Magical Realist, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Than why don't you let some junkie stabs you to the death? After all everything is simulation and death itself-prove it.

    No this has become a philosophy forum, and philosophy is the one thing I really hate. Those are people who have entire time in the world and they never actually felt what is a real life, they live in their own fantasy world, not knowing what is happening there. Vast majority of scientists themselves says the universe is actually not a simulation at all.
     
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  3. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    You are confusing simulator with hologram. The scientists had ideas that this might be a simulated hologram. But you can just simulate the universe in someone's head, and that would be impossible to check out. You could figure it out though, but without proof.
     
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  5. markl323 Registered Senior Member

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    you still don't understand how this would work.

    if we live in a simulation and someone stabs you to "death" in the simulation, the computer will start sending pictures of your dead body to everyone's brain and you will appear "dead" to them. however, your real body is still alive and breathing and feeling everything around you yet you can't tell anyone in the simulation you are still alive because the computer has stopped letting your brain send anything into the simulation.

    so tell me, how would anyone be able to prove to you they are still alive outside of the simulated world?

    they can't prove it either.

    no one can prove it either way and this is the only claim i'm making. moreover, if you watched the youtube clip i posted many posts back, you would know that several leading & mainstream theoretical physicists are saying that the world we live in mightbe a hologram (which is different than the idea in The Matrix) after all.

    i actually find this thread interesting. this idea came straight out of a sci-fi movie. but different people can have different interpretations of the exact same thing.
     
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  7. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    What if during experience we download information and generate a perspective (or it can be percieved a coordinate in space time that creates the contium if its stable state).

    Than during deep sleep (which is inevitable for all creatures) we sort of upload information from our senses to a collective 'consciousness field' or different property of consciousness that retains information for the purposes of preserving life or reality states that would have some important purpose like ; observation to create stable states in the universe as reality or experience.

    To grave If your mom died in your dream would you attribute this to an actual event or a simulated event?

    If it had it not been for you waking up are you sure you could tell the difference?
     
  8. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    This idea of "not being real" from the philosophy known as solipsism in ancient greek times, and anyone who is smart should avoid it.
     
  9. markl323 Registered Senior Member

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    you are the only person who has brought philosophy into this thread.

    a serious case of misplaced anger, IMO.
     
  10. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    You will find the philosophy most often considered in regards to this is Existentialism

    The thing is for any proto-science to evolve from a fringe related reason, it requires a certain amount of philosophizing. Without at least attempting to portray concepts, reasoning and events, it difficult to foretell what directives to state, what goals to aim for and how to deal with "extreme" scenarios where altercations occur.

    Incidentally it's not that real isn't real, it's real is as is real is.
     
  11. Diode-Man Awesome User Title Registered Senior Member

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    For a few months when I was mentally ill I believed I was in a computer simulation...
     
  12. Pineal Banned Banned

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    We worked out the kinks in the simulation so you would go back to your former state of ignorance.

    -THE PROGRAMMERS
     
  13. Pineal Banned Banned

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    1) I truly doubt most have weighed in on the subject. 2) It would be just their opinions, guesses. They would have nothing empirical to go on to draw such a conclusion.
     
  14. Diode-Man Awesome User Title Registered Senior Member

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    LOL don't tell me that!

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    -the programmers
     
  16. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    I have no anger in myself at all. The one who started this philosophy is the one who started this thread.
    Vast majority of scientists are also philosophers. The idea that the universe is a simulation (whatever simulation) is pretty much like saying you don't exist.
    This is how much it is ridiculous
     
  17. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Than the idea of scientists. that nothing beats the entropy also should not be considered serious conclusion?
    Yes, sure.
    Like I said, comparing universe as a simulation is like comparing myself to you, that you don't exist, you are only my simulation, nothing more. It's simply ridiculous.
     
  18. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    It's not ridiculous when mankind can almost do it already. You could glue a virtual helmet to a baby, and it wouldn't know the difference.
     
  19. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Is it?

    Do you know how much of an atom's volume is actually space?
    Less just say it's a greater volume than the volume of content.

    In essence we "barely" exist.
     
  20. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, sure tell that for those who are dying from hunger in Ethiopia and Ruanda, why don't you try it, just to see how simulated hunger truly is?
    If your organism was a simulation, there would not be any need to eat and drink at all.
     
  21. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly, we don't actually know anything about atom, we know what we can measure but beyond that limit is the unknown area. That alone gives no right to think that atom is an illusion, since we don't what actually is beyond measurement.
     
  22. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Sure, but why do drink and eat? If you're an simulation, you don't need to eat and drink.
     
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    Unless your programming requires it.

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