Are you for or against spanking kids ?.

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by mike47, Aug 15, 2009.

  1. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't say my brother was a bad kid. I said that we should be responsible for the choices we make in life. I mean if you want to blame the blame game, you can't say it's the parents fault they were bad parents, it's their parents fault for making them that way, but it's their grandparents fault for making their children that way... and so on and so forth. If you don't believe in free will that's fine, but that stuff only flies in philosophy. If I choose to move my chair across the room or change my shirt, I don't see that choice being something my parents forced upon me, it's a decision I would've made. No one can make you do anything. We make our own choices in life and then we not our parents have to deal with the immediate consequences. And personally I think that's fair.
     
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  3. Phssthpok Registered Member

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    I say "I'm gonna spank you!" or "I'm a-hankering for a spankering!" to my five year old all the time, as a joke. She laughs when I say it, and has no fear that I'll actually spank her. Time out on the chair or sitting on the floor is still very effective.

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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    We are responsible for our actons.!!!

    Well you do "get" the general concept of cause an effect.!!!

    I dont have "beleifs" in anythang... an i dont see any verifible evidence for "free-will"... but even you admit to cause an effect wit you'r blame-game esample wit kids/parents/granparents... so i dare say that even in you'r life you will admit that cause an effect is a major factor in you'r behavior/actons.!!!

    The idea of "free-will" ant only relevent in phillosophical discussons... because of a lack of "free-will... i realize that no one deserves punishment... an O my... all the energy i dont waste on hate an blame.!!!
     
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  7. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you AN her.!!!

    Several mounthes ago i was aroun som church people an this little 2 ? year old girl was runnin an hollerin after a little dinner we had... an the gran-maw of that little girl said... shes mean... what she needs is a good "But-whoopin"... Jesus Christ... what the little girl needed was a less ignerent gran-mom... the child was a little loud but a joy... an wit a little bit of lovin guidence she woud no dout listen an mind beter.!!!
     
  8. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    There's a time for spanking.

    Like when the kid looks at you and says,"NO!" when you tell them to get in the corner...
     
  9. Phssthpok Registered Member

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    Well, there was the time my daughter unbuckled her safety seat so she could turn around and look out the back window. We were in traffic and she got a nice sharp lecture that included the promise of a spank if she ever did that again. Since we don't spank, she's been careful not to make it happen.

    *shudders, dreading the day Stinkerbell looks firmly and says "No! Screw you, man!" or whatever the kids will be saying.*
     
  10. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    I prefer flicking. I have ginormous hands and I'm not a good judge of swing. Flick a child in the thigh (or wherever is handy but not the face) and it will get their attention without damage.
     
  11. Phssthpok Registered Member

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    Ah jeez, the wee one just learned how to do it. She's got a semi-professional >thump!< going. Knows to get the back of my noggin too.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I dont thank thats inevitable at all... my parents never spanked... put me in time out (wasnt invented yet?)... took away my stuff or even hollerd at me... i loved an respected 'em... an sure i woud still screw-up an push my limits... but it never even crossed my mind to holler at 'em much less to say "screw-you".!!!
     
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  13. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    And you turned out to be such a winner, too...

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  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks... it was in the cards (so to speek).!!!
     
  15. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I thought you said our parents are responsible for our choices, since it's their fault for raising us that way. Blaming something I do on my Great great great grandparents, just seems completely stupid to me.
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Spanking is bad. Withholding water is much more effective anyway...

    (is this stupid thread still going?)
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    As you seemed to understan an ponted out earlier... the blame-game is pontless (an ignerent)... but reguardless... we are a product of our influences... an the gratest influences we have is from our parents genes an the enviroment our parents provide.!!!

    It seems that many parents dont "get-it" that they bare responsibility for ther kids bein "bad"... like parents who say... "i have no idea why little Susy is so disrespectful... after all... i give her almos everthang she wants.!!!


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    Ther are beter methods than spankin... an jus so you know... this thred had dyed until YOU <--- started it up agan

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  18. jomokariuki Registered Member

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    utter crap. Are you seriously saying that greed and selfishness originated from religion??? First of all, how can you put all religions in the same box? They are not all the same! Come on man. I assume when you talk about religion, you mean Christianity. Cause that's what most people (in their ignorance) are referring to. Do you know anything about Christianity?? Clearly not, because even a very basic level of knowledge about Christianity would lead you to realize greed and selfishness are thoroughly condemned in the Bible. The perils of greed and selfishness are repeatedly taught. Same in Islam, Buddhism, Jewdaism and so on and so forth... The only religion that I can think of that would promote it is Satanism!

    Greed and selfishness are things we are all capable of, and can not be blamed on any religion. call it human nature if you will..
     
  19. mike47 Banned Banned

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    I am very disturbed by the news of an 11 years old girl who was abducted and had 2 girls with her abductor . She was found alive after 18 years . Kids must be street proofing as there are some crazy pedophiles walking the streets . Also the number of missing children is huge every year . It is absolutely sickening to see any child abducted or hurt in such a manner .
     
  20. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    Just to repeat, people who don't know how to apply corporal punishment correctly should not use it. The thing is, the kind of person who knows how to use it correctly generally won't ever need it. Children see a loss of temper as a sign of mental weakness, and they are well within their rights to ridicule you for it. Always maintain your self-control, especially if you need to get your children under control. A purple-faced fool is silly, not intimidating.
     
  21. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    The parents who understan that insillin love an respect (by esample) in ther children are less likely to be pushed to the pont of hittin ther kids.!!!

    Of course a purple faced fool is intimidatin to a child... so is a "under-control" fool who hits ther kids.!!!
     
  22. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    You are making a mistake. I am not a big defender of corporal punishment. I was exposed to it myself, and it turned me schizoid. I was speaking from my experiences with dogs, which I acknowledge as simpler and easier "children" to raise than human children. The only times I've found it productive to strike a dog is during play exercise. During play exercise, the animal can get very drunk on her own overexcitement, so she needs help staying focused and on-task. A tap on the side of the animal's muzzle is generally all that is necessary, but sometimes she needs a light slap to shake her out of it. You are getting the animal's attention, not trying to apply punishment; the idea is to jar slightly, not cause pain. From my long experiences with dogs, no other application of striking should ever be used. Otherwise, the animal will bite you, and you will deserve it. I have the scars to prove it. However, I have found that, when the animal already looks penitent, a very mild rap on the beak with your knuckles can serve as an accent, but this isn't intended to cause pain either. Again, it's a kind of simple communication that the animal understands well without the presence of pain.

    I imagine the same principles would apply to children. When playing with them, you may guide them using taps and nudges. This isn't punishment, but it's a form of physical communication. If the child breaks something and looks penitent for the act, it is sometimes appropriate to dismiss the child to his quarters using a firm nudge, so the child understands that his emotion on this occasion is an appropriate one. Again, the child's own emotions of guilt are delivering the punishment, and any physical treatment should serve as an accent and not a punishment in itself. If the child isn't feeling guilty, then perhaps it's time to reconsider your overall strategy.

    I know dogs are not quite the same as children, and I certainly wouldn't consider myself prepared to raise a child just because I do well with canids. That's not really the point. I am pretty sure that most of the same principles apply, though, and I've had good and bad experiences with dealing with animals. Dogs certainly don't raise themselves unless you're the sort of person who leaves them chained up out in the yard, and I don't understand how a person could be so cruel. It's not that much work to clean poops off the bottom of your shower, after all, and you have to perform the same service by law, nowadays, when you take them out for walks. If you can't be with them all the time, then at least leave them with a television playing, and make sure they have plenty of toys. By that, I mean good ones, too, and not just simple chew toys. It doesn't cost that much to get a ball-launcher that a dog can use, and they will play with it on occasion when you're not there. They're highly intelligent animals, after all, and they enjoy being mentally stimulated in simple ways. In any case, I'm not a fool. I know that children can get into much more trouble than an animal can because they are so much more intelligent. I also understand that young children need a lot more work to educate them well enough to survive out in the real world. They're not the same exact kind of animal, true, but I think some principles are so universal that it doesn't matter that they are different species. The last dog I helped raise, though, is the only dog I've ever seen who knows how to smile and use other facial expressions, which others have remarked on with some astonishment, and I think that's because the work I put into her paid off. I've known humans who are less expressive. I don't have any experience with human children, but I do know that an animal with any intelligence knows if you are full of shit, even if it's "just a dog."

    For those who insist on using corporal punishment, which I maintain shouldn't be necessary, take it from a person who has been on both ends of it: you should never ever apply this form of discipline if you are not absolutely sure that the child believes it is justified. If you are not sure, then, god damn it, ask. It's not going to work if the child does not believe it's valid. An unjust or unfair parent will be hated, not loved or respected. And it's really the injustice that a child will hate you for, not the pain itself. What a child wants most out of you is justice and fairness.
     
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  23. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^ One of the few posts in this 11 page thread which actually says something. Thank you.
     

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