Are theists asking too much of people?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by wynn, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    If you do it in public view we all will know you did by your body language of your tongue hanging out of your mouth and you will be punished by your peers for doing it. You might get some action from a neglected wife too!!
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Guilty.

    It's also a little much to think that God created the universe especially for us, and yet for most of human history, most of us died during childbirth.
     
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  5. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, I'm already on the dark side.

    But even when I was a Xian, I thought people had Jesus all wrong. IMHO, he wasn't condeming anyone except those who thought they were better than everyone else. He was basically telling them, "So what if you haven't actually done it - you've wanted to... so STFU."
     
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  7. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Some of our Presidents made decisions by consulting with a "Higher Father", so 12:2.
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    why did you stop being a christian? this is a christian's ethics. everyone is considered to be equally guilty no matter what deed it is so therefore what the worst things people do don't matter. however, you are holier than thou by being in god's club.

    talk about skirting ethics. actually this has nothing to do with ethics at all, it's do as you want using the excuse there is someone out there who has thought of it too, so therefore it justifies what i do. i just need to use my lip service and ask good ol god for forgiveness. if you do something wrong, how dare someone accuse you since everyone is guilty because they might have thought of doing the same. oh really? so everyone has thought of wanting to murder, rape etc? oh, that's convenient to believe that delusion. makes one feel self-righteous. oh yeah, sociopaths will accuse others of being self-righteous just because at least they are trying NOT to hurt people. this justifies in their dishonest mind by bringing the common denominator lower to their level of comfort or to justify how they don't want to stop doing what they do. so therefore, the contrived excuse is that even self-restraint means nothing. they scoff at it, not because they don't know it's bullshit but to justify their own sins and their own lack of restraint.

    this is what my christian sociopath told me, stealing a pencil even unintentionally is the same thing as stealing someone's last dollar on purpose. this is to separate the technical 'sin' of theivery without regard to actual degree. since everyone is probably guilty of it in some way, that's what they are going to use as an excuse for their intentional machinations. this type of cold logic works for them because it falsely equalizes the more graver shit they want to do.

    i know so much about how these people think and what excuses they use. i've watched them try so many different ones. they are pretty dishonest.
     
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  9. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Because after serious study I came to the conclusion that it is all a myth.

    Don't have a clue as to what you're ranting about here. But to me, the entire point was to quit passing judgment on other people and clean up your own act.
     
  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    lol. you called it a rant as if it makes no sense, when it was pretty clear to understand.


    this doesn't coincide with your changed tune but good save. you'd make a fine christian.
     
  11. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    I think he called it a rant because your extrapolation became completely disconnected from what he actually said. But a "rant" is usually angry and pompous so maybe it wasn't exactly the right word to use.
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Ah. Are atheists and agnostics incapable of introspection or what??!
     
  13. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    What prompted that question?
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    If people would say, for example:
    I feel too anxious when I read or listen to theistic doctrine, I can't do it, the theists are asking too much.
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    Listening to theistic doctrine brings up a lot of questions for me, but there is nobody in my life whom I could ask, and the theists that I know expect me to just believe. They are asking too much.
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    I don't have the time and money to afford researching these things.
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    I just don't care about all this theistic stuff.

    - then this would be understandable answers, such answers show that the people are owning their answers.
    "Asking too much" is a personal assessment, and as such, needs to be personally addressed.

    But resorting to some presumed objectivity (E.g. "Theism is all a hoax and fables", "Cognitive dissonance is required") depersonalizes the whole issue and places it into a context where it cannot possibly be addressed and resolved.
     
  15. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    Haven't we all, though, already decided to live out our lives according to one philosophy (or a collection of philosophies)? I know I have. So my honest (and I feel legitimate) answer is simply that there is no compelling reason to abandon what is working for me now for something that may or may not be any more ultimately rewarding, being that I only have one life to live.
     
  16. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think so.
     
  17. BeHereNow Registered Senior Member

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    I trust this is intentional facetiousness.
    Our younger lurkers may not remember that famous quote of his:

    "I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times"
     
  18. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Changed tune? I've been playing the same tune for years... And I still don't see any connection to what you went off about - but whatever.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its like doing a PhD. You may work on it for 10 years but ultimately, you know a whole lot about stuff that 99.99% of people have no clue about but still expect you to have all the answers for without expending any of the effort that you did. Moreover, that whole lot of stuff you know is actually so infinitesimal as to be mostly irrelevant by itself. Except for you, of course.
     
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    In a sense, I agree.

    But should theism not be easier than doing a PhD? After all, a person's life - eternal life - is said to depend on their relationship with God, a PhD does not come close in that regard.
     
  21. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    "But resorting to some presumed objectivity (E.g. "Theism is all a hoax and fables", "Cognitive dissonance is required") depersonalizes the whole issue and places it into a context where it cannot possibly be addressed and resolved."

    Err..
    Why does it need to be addressed resolved?
    Is it really that important to you?
    Thats the beauty of the hoax and fables theory I get to eat ice cream in the park while all you heavy thinkers sit indoors tapping on your keyboards like theological vampires.

    Check out my tan, pale face.
    Dee Cee
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    I am sure that when you get older, get sick and will be about to die, that tan and that ice cream are going to help you so much!

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  23. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    But I'll be glad I had them before I go.
    Besides we all get old sick and die. it ain't really worth worrying about.

    BTW The faithfull can still call for mummy when the end comes.

    I've spent a lot of time around the sick and the dying but I gave it up after 20 years because it got kind of predictable and boring. When your bored of terminal care it's time to find a new job.

    Very rarely was god a comfort to the afflicted but you never could tell. 10 mg of diamorph and a medazolam chaser was generally much more effective than your average mark one belief system.
    God was very useful to the bereaved however.

    Dee Cee
     

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