Are the miracles in the Gospels true?

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  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    I don't understand the mining of the random word fictitious. Would you rather eliminate the word miracle from all languages ? since according to atheist the word miracle never could happen .
     
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  3. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Miracles are the UFO of events. Just because they cannot be understood by someone doesn't mean there's not a natural reason for them. It's the advanced technology is magic thing. It's relative to the understanding of the observer and the wanting to believe in supernatural causes.
     
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  5. arauca Banned Banned

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    The way it is written , " mother of Jesus said to the workers do whatever He (Jesus ) tells you what to do " It does not say if he Prayed or what ever it was done , so don't screw it up. Beside wine is a mixture of water, alcohol , grape extract molecules to give flavor to the beverage , I would not use the word atoms
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    It's not really so hard not to believe in the miracles of the gospels. We already do that with the other 99% of religious/legendary accounts. Marduk, Osirus, Mithra, Zoroaster, Hercules, Buddha, Krishna, Orpheus, Apollonius, Mohammed, Beowulf, King Arthur, Joseph Smith, etc. What are the chances that of all these psuedo accounts of miraculous deeds you would somehow end up with the only one that was really true? Not very likely. In fact there is no better reason for rejecting an account than that it ascribes to the characters magical super powers. We simply reject such stories as myths and legends. We don't say, "Well maybe in THIS one case they actually happened."
     
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  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I know there is a natural reason, but it usually centers around mass hysteria, or a misunderstanding of nature. For instance in India recently a religious statue was emitting some liquid which was considered a miracle, like it was tears or something. Actually it turned out to be a leaky sewer pipe. The man who exposed this fact was hounded out of the country.
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I don't mind the word as a metaphor for something very unlikely, but that's not what the religious mean by it.
     
  10. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    Correct in principle. But wrt the sense of your comment, you do precisely the opposite. Therefore, you are in fact lying to yourself--but you don't know it, nor can you be convinced otherwise... QED.
     
  11. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Why? What reason do you have to assume this?

    For one, you just said that it was just a mixing of atoms, which means it wouldn't be above any natural law. But how would that make him God? We can turn grapes into wine. We can pull entertainment out of thin air with the press of a button. Are we also God?
     
  12. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Its called faith.
     
  13. Balerion Banned Banned

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    That's a non-sequitur. Faith is not a reason to believe, it is the mechanism by which one believes.
     

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