Are the miracles in the Gospels true?

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  1. Nom-De-Plume "Give him a mask ... " Registered Member

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    What about miracles, similar to those in the bible, that were ostensibly performed by saints? For example, Saint Nicholas, who is said to have resurrected murdered children. If these miracles occurred, why do they not occur now'a'days? And if Jesus performed such miracles, what was the point? To persuade people to believe? Couldn't an omnipotent being just magically persuade these people?
     
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  3. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Bio-energy amounts to the oxidation of glucose plus the ADP-ATP reaction in cells. There are some very faint electromagnetic fields around the brain, but they obviously do not interact with the outside world. (Otherwise we would be able to pick up transmitted signals.)

    Notions of God might have some correspondence to the way people sense each other, but that would require a pre-existing acculturation into the concept of Godhood. A person raised in isolation would probably have no innate sense of any other people, much less God. Then again, if just a few people were living in isolation, the sense they would have of each other is whether they coexisted peacefully or as mortal enemies. Severe competition for resources might even turn cooperators into killing machines.

    Biologists explain some of this as innate behaviors evolved from lower animals and then further adapted for mammals, then primates specifically, then proto-humans and finally modern humans. A very important genetic trait for species with altricious young is empathy. Without it we would be cold blooded in our treatment of each other. But then most of our children would die soon after childbirth, of neglect.

    Biology explains sentience to a degree, although most details of human ideation and behavior are more a matter for psychology. This is where religions leave people believing in fantasies, such as the illusion that they can save their children by faith-healing.
     
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  5. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    A lot of people have died needlessly by refusing medical care, believing this.
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    At the moment just this part disturb me..

    There are many medical mistake done were people died because so called complication . My brother have a shorter leg because medical ignorance .
    Note : I don't crap on medical practice , as a natter of fact I encouraged my younger son to go to medical school this year and have been accepted.
     
  8. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    No rational thinking person would believe either.
     
  9. arauca Banned Banned

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    Why don't you ask some who have received a miracle , instead the bunch of nonbelievers in this forum . You are attempting to get water from a rock which is dumb.
     
  10. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Some non-believers could have been believers in the past and witnessed such supposed miracles, so it's not a dumb question. Just because our viewpoint is more skeptical doesn't discount it.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, doctors make mistakes, but simply praying over something is the same as doing nothing (apart from the not insignificant placebo effect).
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So only believers could "witness" a miracle?
     
  13. arauca Banned Banned

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    I am sure you believe the brain can secrete hormones which car reduce pain and other discomfort . What do you believe Israel become a nation after 2000 years in matter 3 years after the Holocaust even it was planned for about 80 years , what would you call this
     
  14. arauca Banned Banned

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    Incidentally what is a miracle ?
     
  15. arauca Banned Banned

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    You are missing the important part BELIEVE , so it depend on the subject who wishes to have the miracle , in other words an effort from rhe subject is necessary .
     
  16. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    No, but that wasn't my real point.
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    The brain can do a lot of things, but it can't cure disease.
    The people had an idea of Israel for a long time, it was preserved in their mythology, so they acted it out. If I had a dream of being a basketball player all my life and I make it happen, what do you call that? I had a thought of soup and then I had lunch, what do you call that?
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    A temporary suspension of natural law by intent or incantation.
     
  19. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you always start threads based on the bible? It is one more question based thread with no real answer. Some miracles may have happened and a number of others could have been "stretched".
     
  20. arauca Banned Banned

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    In case of Israel the circumstances for all the period did not allow it to happen ( would you call it natural law ) . and beside what is a natural law ?
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There is no natural law against establishing a nation. In fact it happens all the time. Why is it a miracle for Israel and not, for instance, Namibia (est. 1990)?
     
  22. arauca Banned Banned

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    Perhaps it is was a miracle . Just one was professed and written the other was not . In the case of Namibia it was a war for independence by Namibian in case of the Israeli they were not allowed to live in that territory since year 135 ad. A closer comparison would be the Armenian , or in the future the Kurds.
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So no one has ever written about Kurdish independence? Israeli independence was certainly an example of good fortune, but it was based on a lot of hard work on the ground, it's not like the skies suddenly appeared and the land emerged from the sea.
     

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