Are Republicans Preparing to Militarize?

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Are Republicans Preparing to Militarize?

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    You know, the title really should be a stupid question.

    Multnomah County GOP chair James Buchal, however, told the Guardian that recent street protests had prompted Portland Republicans to consider alternatives to “abandoning the public square”.

    “I am sort of evolving to the point where I think that it is appropriate for Republicans to continue to go out there,” he said. “And if they need to have a security force protecting them, that’s an appropriate thing too.”

    Asked if this meant Republicans making their own security arrangements rather than relying on city or state police, Buchal said: “Yeah. And there are these people arising, like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters.”

    Asked if he was considering such groups as security providers, Buchal said: “Yeah. We’re thinking about that. Because there are now belligerent, unstable people who are convinced that Republicans are like Nazis.”


    Then again, these are Republicans.


    Wilson, Jason. "Portland Republican says party should use militia groups after racial attack". The Guardian. 29 May 2017. 29 May 2017.
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

    what makes conservatives dangerous is this:

    they are inherently, deeply, and unconsciounably dishonest and note what they are or do that is negative is projected onto liberals or others.

    they conflate their wish to censor other's rights and the prevention/retaliation/disagreement of it as censorship directed towards them. that is the hypocrisy. they only see their rights/protection and only that is in real consideration. but it's okay and justified if they do that to others. This is why conservatives should be opposed more than giving them more leeway because they do not care about anything except their rights, their movement, their views, their values etc and if given much power will run roughshod over others and be dictatorial.

    Sure, they will play the victim card when they don't have as much power to inflict their prejudice on others feigning very righteously their rights are being infringed upon but considering the fact they are predatorial, can't trust'em or believe'em as they have proven time and time again.

    it's like someone claiming to be victim of censorship because someone wants to prevent them from actions or speech which hurt others. that everything is a right for them and rights for you will be determined by them also, which they don't have your best interests at heart either but only themselves.

    conservative republicans are 1) predatorial 2) dicatorial 3) dishonest/hypocritical. once you realize that is what their makeup is underneath and the jump-off of their base for everything and anything, it is clear.
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  5. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    It's probably a good idea that somebody militarize the USA as well as the allies that are bullied by North Korea.

    Obama axed a lot of the top brass.

    As quoted from link:

    Here is the list of our military elite who have been purged or fired under Obama:
    Commanding Generals fired:

    · General John R. Allen-U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)
    · Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star)-U.S. Army Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)
    · Major General Michael Carey (2 Star)-U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)
    · Colonel James Christmas-U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit & Commander Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit (July 2013)
    · Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)
    · Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus-U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)
    · General Carter F. Ham-U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)
    · Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr.-U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point, NY (2013)
    · Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan-U.S. Army 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)
    · General James Mattis-U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)
    · Colonel Daren Margolin-U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico's Security Battalion (Oct 2013)
    · General Stanley McChrystal-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)
    · General David D. McKiernan-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)
    · General David Petraeus-Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012 & U.S. Army Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] and Commander U.S. Forces Afghanistan [USFOR-A] (Nov 2012)
    · Brigadier General Bryan Roberts-U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)
    · Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant-U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command & Commander of Aviation Wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan (Sept 2013)
    · Colonel Eric Tilley-U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)
    · Brigadier General Bryan Wampler-U.S. Army Commanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

    Commanding Admirals fired:
    · Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette-U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)
    · Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star)-U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

    Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)
    · Captain David Geisler-U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)
    · Commander Laredo Bell-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs, NY (Aug 2011)
    · Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
    · Commander Nathan Borchers-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)
    · Commander Robert Brown-U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story, VA (Aug 2011)
    · Commander Andrew Crowe-Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)
    · Captain Robert Gamberg-Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)
    · Captain Rex Guinn-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)
    · Commander Kevin Harms- U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)
    · Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin-U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)
    · Captain Owen Honors-U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan 2011)
    · Captain Donald Hornbeck-U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego
    (Apr 2011)
    · Rear Admiral Ron Horton-U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific
    (Mar 2011)
    · Commander Etta Jones-U.S. Navy Commander amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
    · Commander Ralph Jones-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)
    · Commander Jonathan Jackson-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)
    · Captain Eric Merrill-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)
    · Captain William Mosk-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota, U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)
    · Commander Timothy Murphy-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, WA (Apr 2011)
    · Commander Joseph Nosse-U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)
    · Commander Mark Olson-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)
    · Commander John Pethel-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock New York (Dec 2011)
    · Commander Karl Pugh-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island, WA (Jul 2011)
    · Commander Jason Strength-U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville, TN (Jul 2011)
    · Captain Greg Thomas-U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)
    · Commander Mike Varney-U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)
    · Commander Jay Wylie-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr 2011)
    Naval Officers fired: (All in 2012):
    · Commander Alan C. Aber-Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)
    · Commander Derick Armstrong- U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)
    · Commander Martin Arriola- U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug 2012)
    · Captain Antonio Cardoso- U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)
    · Captain James CoBell- U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station's Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)
    · Captain Joseph E. Darlak- U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
    · Captain Daniel Dusek-U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme
    · Commander David Faught-Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep 2012)
    · Commander Franklin Fernandez- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)
    · Commander Ray Hartman- U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)
    · Commander Shelly Hakspiel-Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)
    · Commander Jon Haydel- U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)
    · Commander Diego Hernandez- U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)
    · Commander Lee Hoey- U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)
    · Commander Ivan Jimenez-Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
    · Commander Dennis Klein- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)
    · Captain Chuck Litchfield- U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)
    · Captain Marcia Kim Lyons- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)
    · Captain Robert Marin- U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)
    · Captain Sean McDonell- U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)
    · Commander Corrine Parker- U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)
    · Captain Liza Raimondo- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, MD (Jun 2012)
    · Captain Jeffrey Riedel- Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)
    · Commander Sara Santoski- U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)
    · Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff-Executive Officer Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)
    · Commander Sheryl Tannahill- U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville, TN (Sep 2012)
    · Commander Michael Ward- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)
    · Captain Michael Wiegand- U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)
    · Captain Ted Williams- U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)
    · Commander Jeffrey Wissel- U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

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  7. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    Obama military purge continued page 2 of 2.
    As quoted from link in previous post:

    Naval Officers fired: (All in 2013):
    · Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen-Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
    · Reserve Captain Jay Bowman-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix, NJ (Mar 2013)
    · Captain William Cogar-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy's medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)
    · Commander Steve Fuller-Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)
    · Captain Shawn Hendricks-Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June 2013)
    · Captain David Hunter-U.S. Navy Commander of Maritime Expeditionary Security Squadron 12 & Coastal Riverine Group 2 (Feb 2013)
    · Captain Eric Johnson-U.S. Navy Chief of Military Entrance Processing Command at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, IL (2013)
    · Captain Devon Jones-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Air Facility El Centro, CA (July 2013)
    · Captain Kevin Knoop-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Comfort's medical treatment facility (Aug 2013)
    · Lieutenant Commander Jack O'Neill-U.S. Navy Commander Operational Support Center Rock Island, IL (Mar 2013)
    · Commander Allen Maestas-Executive Officer Beachmaster Unit 1 (May 2013)
    · Commander Luis Molina-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Pasadena (Jan 2013)
    · Commander James Pickens-Executive Officer frigate Gary (Feb 2013)
    · Lieutenant Commander Mark Rice-U.S. Navy Commander Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
    · Commander Michael Runkle-U.S. Navy Commander of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2 (May 2013)
    · Commander Jason Stapleton-Executive Office Patrol Squadron 4 in Hawaii (Mar 2013)
    · Commander Nathan Sukols-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
    · Lieutenant Daniel Tyler-Executive Officer Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
    · Commander Edward White-U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (Aug 2013)
    · Captain Jeffrey Winter-U.S. Navy Commander of Carrier Air Wing 17 (Sept 2013)
    · Commander Thomas Winter-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Montpelier (Jan 2013)
    · Commander Corey Wofford- U.S. Navy Commander frigate Kauffman (Feb 2013)

    Since Barack Obama has been in the White House, high ranking military officers have been removed from their positions at a rate that is absolutely unprecedented.Things have gotten so bad that a number of retired generals are publicly speaking out about the 'purg' of the U.S. military that they believe is taking place. As you will see below, dozens of highly decorated military leaders have been dismissed from their positions over the past few years. So why is this happening? What is going on right now is absolutely crazy especially during a time of peace. Is there a deliberate attempt to reshape the military and remove those who don't adhere to the proper 'viewpoints' ? Does someone out there feel a need to get officers that won't cooperate out of the way?

    Throughout world history, whatever comes next after a military purge is never good.
    If this continues, what is the U.S. military going to look like in a few years?

    Perhaps you are reading this and you think that 'purge' is too strong a word for what is taking place. Well, justconsider the following quotes from some very highly decorated retired officers:

    -Retired Army Major General Paul Vallely:The White House protects their own.That's why they stalled on the investigation into fast and furious, Benghazi and Obamacare.He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged.

    -Retired Army Major General Patrick Brady: There is no doubt he (Obama) is intent on emasculating the military and will fire anyone who disagrees with him.
    -Retired Army Lt. General William G. Jerry Boykin

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    ver the past three years, it is unprecedented for the number of four-star generals to be relieved of duty, and not necessarily relieved for cause.

    -Retired Navy Captain Joseph John:I believe there are more than 137 officers who have been forced out or given bad evaluation reports so they will never make Flag (officer), because of their failure to comply to certain views.

    A Pentagon official who asked to remain nameless because they were not authorized to speak on the matter said even young officers, down through the ranks have been told not to talk about Obama or the politics of the White House. They are purging everyone and if you want to keep your job just keep your mouth shut. Now this trend appears to be accelerating.

    General Vallely's comment:
    Absolutely every communist regime on the planet did this as soon as they got in power. I am surprised this communist traitor with his feet up on our furniture in the white house hasn't done this until now!
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  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    If I'm not mistaken, that was part of a larger military downsizing... and one we desperately needed (and still need). Lets be honest - we as a nation do not NEED to have a military larger, more powerful, and more costly than the next half dozen or more major world powers combined - it is unnecessary and, honestly, obscene and disgusting. We need to stop pretending we are the world police.
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  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    Well, unfortunately for you and your fascist fellows, the American military has a long and proud tradition of political neutrality. It's the law, and every military recruit is instructed in that law.

    When I entered military service 44 years ago I was instructed in that law, and when my son entered military service 10 years ago he was instructed in that law. That law didn't begin with Obama comrade, nor should it end with Obama. It's a good law. Unfortunately for you and your ignorant fascist fellows American troops pledge their loyalty to the US Constitution and not to a person or political party. If military members violate that law be they a private or a general they should be prosecuted.

    One more thing comrade, citing a wacky conspiracy web site isn't evidence of anything other than wacky right wing conspiracy web sites. Just because a right wing conspiracy web site published something, it doesn't mean it is truthful, because it isn't. Right wing conspiracy web sites are rarely if ever truthful, e.g. Pizzagate, Trump's wiretapped phones, etc.
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  10. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

    I tried to double like this but the site won't let me....

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  11. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

    You do realize that Obama is not even in the goverment anymore, don't you? That kind of destroys your whole paranoid rant.
  12. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    Huh? You need to improve your reading skills. You realize that isn't my paranoid rant that you just quoted, don't you? I quoted verbatim from General Vallely. It's no sense debating this with a person that can't even read.
  13. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    So the american generals are "facist fellows" for saying those things -- and you served in the military. Interesting.

    Would you consider the Washington Times a right-wing conspiracy as well?
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  14. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    No. Obama's downsizing of the military was unprecedented. It would help if you get your facts straight. Who in the military liked Obama besides the ones he picked as replacements? Names please.

    and by the way... I would have given Bernie Sanders serious consideration, but the DNC didn't give me that choice.
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  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    So, you know: Have you anything to say on topic, or need we change the subject in order to accommodate you?
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Don't worry. We now have a much better communist traitor in power who is giving away top secret information to the Russians and bowing to the Saudis while spitting on our allies.
  17. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    Hmm.... so North Korea isn't even on your radar screen. I thought the military was the topic. Maybe you really meant the Salvation Army? Just what IS the topic then?
  18. Woody1 Registered Senior Member

    A billionaire communist.... hmmm.... does that mean he's going to spread the wealth in true communist fashion... or maybe he's not a true commie?
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  19. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

    Your paranoid rant is the parroting of a paranoid rant from Vallely. In either case you were both wrong. Obama did not make us a bunch of commies.

    Too bad Obama is not in goverment anymore, now you are going to have to find another liberal to demonize. Good luck on your hunt.

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  20. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

    Woody1 sure 'hit the ground running'!

    Wonder what the odds are that he is a sockpuppet? Pretty high is my guess....
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  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    22,910 you want people to believe you would give the man whose positions are antithetical to yours "serious consideration"? Please, you aren't communicating with a bunch of dittoheads here comrade. Who do you think you are fooling?

    So you think Obama's downsizing of the military was unprecedented? I guess you are not aware of the Civil War, or WW I, WW II, and the end of the Cold War? The fact is, Obama's "downsizing" was modest. Bush 2.0 committed to withdrawing US troops from Iraq before Obama's presidency. Obama just executed Bush's agreement. Obama did draw down US troops in Afghanistan and that's generally considered a good thing. It's that budget thingy. You do realize the budget is finite? Unlike Obama's Republican predecessor, Obama actually had a budget.

    Before you go telling others to get their facts straight comrade, you had better make sure you have your facts straight and in typical "conservative tradition" you don't. What does it matter who likes Obama or not in the military? Obama isn't POTUS. You and those like you need to man up and stop using Democrats and Obama and Hillary in particular as a crutch. You folks now have control of all 3 branches of government. You need to man up and stop blaming others for your failures.
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  22. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

    He is. He linked to a thread he made 12 years ago in the thread he started on vestigial blah blah debunks evolution myth.
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    I accused you of being a fascist fellow comrade. I specifically stated members of the US military are prohibited by law from displays of partisanship. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote, this time more slowly. Perhaps then you might understand what I wrote. I didn't accuse all American generals or even most American generals of anything comrade. That's you taking liberty with the truth again. I have faith in the American officer corps. Were it not for that faith, I would be very concerned about Trump. I think the American officer corps is the only thing keeping Trump in check, e.g. Mattis managed to persuade Trump not to use torture as an interrogation tool.

    I would, because it its. The Washington Times is a publication owned by the Moonie Cult, and it is staunchly "conservative" and nativist. It too pushes unfounded conspiracies just as your previous references do. At least you are consistent comrade, I'll give you that.
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