Are Pharmaceutical Corps. Ethical ?

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  1. river Valued Senior Member

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    Cures
     
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Polio, rabies, whooping cough...

    Note that it's usually scientists and doctors that find the cures, pharma just manufactures the drugs. And they can treat far more ailments than can be cured, like mental illness.
     
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  5. river Valued Senior Member

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    Fair enough

    Treat mental illness ... ?

    Note cancer by pharma has not been cured .
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that is not in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry to come up with cures for illnesses.
    If you cure the illness, you lose a customer.
     
  8. river Valued Senior Member

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    True
     
  9. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    What a fucking load of bollocks! Are you a conspiracy theorist too?
     
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  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Some people get cured more or less.
     
  11. river Valued Senior Member

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    More or less .

    Less
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's actually been a revolution in the treatment of mental illness, where they used to confine the mentally ill to a horrible prison. Now people can take drugs and lead fairly normal lives.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And yet they do. Must be a flaw in your reasoning somewhere.
     
  14. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Cured? Not as such... But when I was a child in the 1960s cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Today I know many cancer survivors. Treatment has come a long way.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect many people imagine medicinology as super-advanced, and wonder why we don't yet have magic bullets for everything, therefore pharma is dragging its heels.

    We are barely in our infancy of understanding of physio-biology.

    Only a very few things are we able to understand - let alone treat - the cause much of what Medicine can do nowadays is merely treat the symptoms.

    Watson and Crick only isolated the DNA molecule 60 years ago.

    Penicillin
    was first used to treat infections only 75 years ago.

    Yup - virtually all of modern medicine was invented within living memory of much of today's population.

    Penicillin was only discovered 90 years ago.

    The Germ Theory of Disease
    is barely 200 years old. (With methods as simple having doctors wash their hands). Yet, even then, it was widely rejected by the medical establishment as too woo.


    We've come a long way (in a short time), baby.
     
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  16. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    what does this actually mean? I am sure all those people who exhibit the symptoms of bipolar, and the like, are glad that there are drugs that treat those symptoms. But don't those same drugs also treat the cause of those symptoms, the chemical imbalance? sure, we haven't, as yet, the technology to alter a persons genome in situ, which would help cure bipolar.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, that turns out to be problematic.

    These medications have side effects troublesome enough that, invariably, patients must weigh the treatment against not getting treated at all, and determine which results in a net increase in quality of life.

    Our medications are the equivalent of trying to put a broken china teacup back together using only a hammer.

    The chemical imbalance, is itself, a symptom of a deeper underlying cause.
    The question of whether the cause is literally a genetic one is still open.

    Which is kinda my point. Despite what people similar to the OP might think we do not yet have the technology to address the cause, just the effect.
     
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  18. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    but if the cause is a chemical imbalance, due to a genetic defect, and you correct that chemical imbalance with drugs, then isn't that treating the cause?
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Only if the drugs fix the genetic defect itself (which I don't see happening yet). Otherwise, all were really doing is treating the effects.
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    We don't know what causes bipolar and most mental disorders. All we know is some drugs help people live with it.
     
  21. river Valued Senior Member

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    Thats all these pharmas are doing . Treating .
     
  22. river Valued Senior Member

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    What is the evidence that these disorders actually exist in the first place ?
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    A consensus among mental health professionals in cooperation with many institutions of society, including patients, universities, communities, and governmental agencies.
     

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