Are people inherently evil?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by ??!!?!?_particlename, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    no, but putting emotion aside..pure rational thinking will tell you to take it if you don't believe in god..who can disagree?

    and because people are theists doesn't mean they all believe in god to the same degree..
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Rational thinking is obviously not telling you much.
    You need to support those prejudicial insults with facts or shut up.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Keep in mind they had the belief before committing crimes.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I already told you that an atheist would reason that the chain is not theirs, and would turn it in regardless of their loss.

    This must be what YOU would do.

    Again, the chain is not theirs to take, regardless of their situation.

    And again, this must be what YOU would do.

    So, you admit that this is what a theist would do. You are a petty thief.

    Exactly. The theist lives in fear of their god and does not reason such things.

    That is quite obviously something you will never understand.
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, it isn't a given, but it does describe the difference between how a theist lives in fear of their god as opposed to reasoning the consequences of their actions.

    No, they didn't, they were religious when they went in.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That must explain why communism is so popular with atheists. Because they don't believe in property rights. At least in theory.
     
  10. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they are.
     
  11. MysteriousStranger Banned Banned

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    Evil People are inherently evil.

    People are inherently people and aren't inherently anything else.
     
  12. tomidea some thoughts ... Registered Senior Member

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    It is true that some people are more evil than other but the fact that A says that B is evil, A is already showing his or her inability to treat others with goodness and kindness. The problems of the world arise because people like to criticise others, judge others, they think they are always right and other people are not as good. Of course, some people are much better at showing goodness towards other people, such people generally are people with more non evil thoughts. However, evils thoughts still can happen, less evil people tend to have more wisdom and commen sense to break up the chain of evil thoughts. For evil doers, they tend to like what they do, mostly for selfish reasons.

    Life is about overcome these evil tendencies. People all sin, no one is not a sinner. But the ability to overcome evil with good is actually very difficult to attain. This is again due to human's selfish desires.
     
  13. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    No, in each of us is yin/yang..
     
  14. tomidea some thoughts ... Registered Senior Member

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    If A sees a thick, expensive, gold chain in a empty locker room, the best thing A should do is to notify the swimming centre staff, so the staff can keep it for the chain's owner. (if the chain's owner never come back to the swimming centre, the swimming centre can keep it).

    The second best option is A take the chain but wear it everytime A comes for a swim, and hope the chain's owner can see it and then return the chain to the owner.

    The third best thing A can do is take it but donate the gold chain to charity.

    A can take the chain and keep it only if A is in need of money and does not have a stable income and have 5 children to support. (This option can be regarded as a divine gift if A is religious).

    If A is a rich person, A must take option 1 and 2 to show goodness. If A takes it, it shows greed.

    If A is very poor and a non religious person and has 5 children to feed, A should take it, but only for the reason of supporting A's family. This intention shows goodness and has nothing to do with religion.

    If A was a thief, A must choose option 1 to show improvement in understanding of law.

    If A sees it and does nothing, it is better than taking it (if A is rich). If A's reason is: the owner might come back, this is not a good reason because someone else may take it for selfish reasons.

    If A is a child, say, 5 to 10 years old, well, the above does not apply to the child, but apply to the child's parents.

    If A sees it and picks it up and throws it into the rubbish bin, this is not a wrong intention: to keep the floor clean, but return it to the owner is better!
     
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  15. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    But if I see a perfectly good dog-chain lying in a gutter, as I did a few months ago, and I pick it up and take it (becuase if I don't someone else will, I reckon) I'm not evil for doing so, just expedient. I'm no more wrong to pick it up than anyone else would be, because who knows how many people have walked past that dog-chain and left it lying in the gutter.

    Same thing applies if my sister and I are driving along, as we were a couple of years back, and we see a big log-chain that has fallen off the back of a truck because it wasn't secured properly, and the truck took a corner too fast. We weren't evil to pick up that log-chain and put it to our own uses--no more so than anyone else would've who saw it and got to it before we did. It just happened to be our lucky day.

    Evil, as I see it, is when you go out to do something which you know is wrong or cruel and will mess people around badly, and for whatever reason you not only don't stop yourself from doing it, but you actually enjoy what you are doing, and go ahead and do more. That's what seperates the soldier who does their duty from the psychopathic butcher who puts abullet in the back of a child's head because that toddler belongs to another race or religion. Kill if you must, but do so without hate, without pleasure, without pride--because those are the marks of an evil mind.
     
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  16. tomidea some thoughts ... Registered Senior Member

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    If the dog chain, for whatever reasons, is no longer wanted by the owner, then it is for others to take.

    If the expensive, gold chain (for human use), is also no longer wanted by the owner, then anyone can take it. (The point I try to make is when you see something valuable but knowing it clearly belongs to someone else who most likely still needs it, what is the best thing to do? Of course there can be several different outcomes, but we should try to aim for the best outcome, the most reasonable outcome).
     
  17. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    yes..i mean, why not??

    really..if no one is seeing me..then why not take it..if it was me who lost the chain..how would i know if the guy who took it will think like you said..he might..but he might not..so i rather play it safe..and just take it..



    that's a mean way of putting it..i'm just a natural cause of the chain being lost..hey i lose things too you know..

    i have to agree on that..

    i don't.. but why the "never"? i'm sure you can counter my stupidity by your smartness.. i'm ready and willing to learn..please do enlighten me..
    :idea: a torch should do it!!
     
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  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Recognizing evil is not a fault.
    There is no such thing as sin.
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    In your 1st option, the swim center should give it to the finder rather than keep it if the owner is not determined.

    I tried the 2nd option. It usually works very well.

    Trashing it is as bad as stealing it.
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    scifes
    You blatantly called atheists thieves. I asked you to support that or shut up. You attempt to just laugh it off.
    You should be banned.
     
  21. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    You can only expect so much from the insane.
     
  22. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    i was kidding:bawl:






    why are you so mean??:bawl:
     
  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Kidding about what?
    Why are you so mean?
     

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