Are people inherently evil?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by ??!!?!?_particlename, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. ??!!?!?_particlename Registered Member

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    Are people naturally evil?
    I need any information or sources that help to prove people are naturally evil. Both religous and non-religous are desired. (any religion, preferably many religions)
     
  2. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    No, I don't think people are naturally evil. it's just what you call evil. There's a dark side in everyone, so it's just whenever and however it comes forward. Some people are getting "evil" when life is to hard on them or they are striving for some goal they think everuything is allowed to reach that goal. Like in the holy wars. People say they fight because of others not believing in god. Then again, god is supposed to be love. So where is the love in this. Forcing people to believe in that almighty loving god? Seems not very loving to me.

    I think people can get evil, when not treated right in their childhood and if they have a wrong view on society in which they see a lot of violence. Some people like it to hurt others. I cannot find the reason, though, why it has to be so.

    Guess I am rambling.

    Anyway, welcome to Sciforums ??!!?!?_particlename. :) May the next poster be a lot more clear in answering. I am in a strange mood today, sorry...:)
     
  3. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    hey hey!

    Yo, I asked this exact same question before!! That's cool!!

    I think you'd still be able to find the thread I started with that question, somewhere down the line; a lot of people answered it, and it was very helpful in opening my mind up to other ideas...May I ask, is this for an essay for school, possibly Civics??
     
  4. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Blue...what school do you go to? what grade, 9?
     
  5. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    Earl Haig S.S.
    Grade 10
     
  6. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Lawrence Park right here!
     
  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Are people naturally evil?

    It certainly *feels* natural to be evil. No reasonable facsimiles required here.
     
  8. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    pssst...check ur private messages
     
  9. Neutrino_Albatross Legion of Dynamic Discord Registered Senior Member

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    I don;t think people are evil. They are just motivated 100% by self interest, frequently at the expense of otherrs.
     
  10. *stRgrL* Kicks ass Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, there are people who are born evil. Sorry to say it but its true. True, there are people that are driven to do evil things, that are not naturally evil. That actually feel remorse for something. But I seriously cant comprehend how a person can look at Charles Manson or that guy down in South America that killed 200 kids - and say that they are not naturally evil.

    No, that is just an excuse to do bad things. You know how I know? Because Ive had the most f*cked up childhood of anyone that I have ever been in contact with. And its very temptful to use that as an excuse to be bad, but I know, deep down, that its not right.
    So no, thats wrong.

    Take care, and Welcome Particle!!!! You'll enjoy this place very much:)
     
  11. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Disagree highly! You know how I know? Because I've had the most horrible childhood you can imagine. Hell, you are not even capable of imagining it. I didn't turn out to be all evil, though. That's how I know. How can you say this? That you've had the most fucked up childhood? How can you have such self pity? I am real sorry you had to go through it, it sure stinks, big time. Don't say that you've had the most fucked up childhood because you simply do not know that. I don't mean it in a bad way *stRgrL*. :) No offense please. :)

    I still think people are not natural evil. And I stick to it...
     
  12. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Some people are good, some are bad, most are a bit of both.
     
  13. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Accusing Star of self-pity is like saying that Jenna Jamison can't give good head. :rolleyes:
     
  14. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Xev...

    Yep! You're right. I take the self pity part, back...
     
  15. ??!!?!?_particlename Registered Member

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    How do you define evil?
    your dictionary defeniton says that evil is morally bad or wrong.
    Your arguments arguments imply evil is some child murdering Hitler type figurehead.
    I was vague, but I meant evil as morally wrong.
    Yes, the above mentioned figure is evil.
    I was refering to whether people are morally wrong.
    This of course implys that lying would be morally wrong, cheating would be morally wrong, etc.


    For a speech in my public speaking class

    Which I might add is due tuesday, so if you could include any references you have on this topic as well, it would be appreciated (the more specific the better)
     
  16. Ender Registered Senior Member

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    Concider this

    You also must ask are people naturaly good.

    Communism was based on a rational that the nature of man is good, that is one of many reasons it failed.

    When young childern born at very earlie ages the lie because they know they don't want to get in trouble. thier parents are always telling them to not bite, not to hit, share their toys, and things that are silly. But nobody tells them how to hit people, how to bite people, they are born with the basic survival instint that says do whatever it takes to survive, tht may be killing/ hurting other people. They are taught to be good, and to make people feel good.

    Think about all the wars, they were mainly used to get more power and money to greedy warlords.

    We are born to be evil, and are taught to be good.

    So, are we naturaly evil?

    yes.
     
  17. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    We are a mixture, in my opinion. Some inherently good others inherently evil (or bad). I would hazard the guess that bad and evil are not the same things. What someone does to you or me may be bad in your book while it benefits the other that did it to you. That does not make him evil. Only that he benefited at your expense.

    Now someone like Manson, who killed a number of people (or more accurately caused a number of people to be killed) might truly be considered evil. But is he evil or insane? What of Jeffery Balmer (?) the one who was killing and eating people? Evil or insane?

    I think that more are on the good side than the evil side. You don't hear so much about those who help their neighbor or their community. News doesn't report it, as it doesn't sell well. However if they can come up with a serial killer or some off the wall, way out there person, doing something outlandish to folks then that will get the attention that sells their product. As a result you hear far more about the weirdo's behavior than you do Joe Blow Average.

    I always noticed that when you move to a new area that it seems you meet the criminal type and people users first. Later you meet the "nice folks". I always assumed it was because those doing what they shouldn't do were hiding by moving amongst the crowd. Whether it was the law or their conscience following them was always open to speculation. But move around society, they do.
     
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  18. *stRgrL* Kicks ass Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, because your not evil. You can take a person who had a good comfortable childhood that can still be naturally evil.

    I dont have self pity. I know that there are people out there that have had the same or a worse childhood, I said I have never met anyone though. And it seems silly to argue whose life was worse.

    ??!!?!?_particlename

    I dont really understand what you mean. Sorry.
     
  19. Xenu BBS Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Communism has never yet been implemented, only socialism.

    Good/Evil is all based on cultural standards. It's not an absolute.
     
  20. Ender Registered Senior Member

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    But the point is that it was tried in russia, china, and other coutries.

    Every time though it has failed.
     

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