Are emotions an evolutionary benefit?

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  1. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    American's are supposed to misunderstand sarcasm. I think it depends on WHERE in America you're from.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    American "conservatives" don't get irony. That blind spot is geographically distributed, apparently coincident with honor culture. How do we know? Lab research into emotional response.

    So: You can identify honor culture's progeny, in the lab. As a proxy for irony blindness, then, it provides a measure of the formerly unmeasurable. It might work for sarcasm blindness as well.

    Meanwhile, "Policemen never take the romantic view".
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have been pondering womens environments as a process of mental associative functional cognizant facilitational embodiment

    colour facism by new mothers
    through to overt minimalism by fathers

    are women driven to seek a greater variance of colours in every day life(over a year. not a single instance test)
    do women feel the need to redecorate because they need the mental stimulation ?
    do men seek constant change ?

    who is more adaptable, men or women ?

    etc...

    there seems to be a heavy association with increased need for colour variation with some forms of hightened thought process/activity
    the emotional connection between colour changes and management of complex emotional environments seems almost bi-polar with one side seeking to prefer lesser variation of colours and patterns, with others seeking a constant change of variations.

    i haven't really known what to do with my thought so im throwing it out there for others to ponder.
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't dare tackle the question of colour perception and preference by sex - well, not today.
    Suffice it to say that the gender scale would probably correspond to a scale of aesthetic sensitivity - were it not for those pesky outliers we call artists.
    I will make one semi-controversial observation about each [straight] stereotype:
    - men want to keep attire simple so they can get on with the doings they plan on doing (even if they never get to most of it)
    - women express moods, desires, attitudes, even opinions though self-decoration (if I can't be heard, I'll be seen)
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Culture dependent.
    There are cultures featuring situations of drab women and flamboyantly decorated men.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Such as ... much of nature.

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  10. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    For me, this is somewhat true. Not for the reason you indicate ''if I can't be heard, I'll be seen.'' But, because I like how certain clothes or hair styles may look, etc. I find that if I'm in a sad mood, I'll wear grey, black, very muted shades of clothing. But, if I'm feeling celebratory or happy for whatever the reason, my clothing choices may reflect that, too. Weirdly enough, it's just an automatic thing, it feels like.

    In my office, the men dress very boring, but that's corporate life, in some companies. Like people who get tattoos to express themselves, my clothes, heels, hair styles, etc express how I'm feeling, and what perhaps I'm desiring to project. I'll dress differently when I'll be giving a presentation to a client, as opposed to just working in the office for the day. I've noticed that men do this, as well. But men don't seem to have as many choices, as women. There is a guy in my office who is into cool socks and shoes - that's his way of differentiating himself from the rest of the suits.
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously. All self-presentation and expression is social; all social interaction is culture-dependent. So are gender-roles, for that matter.
    And, of course, men care very much how they're perceived. Everyone does.
     
  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Like parrots had a choice of buying ten black teeshirts and ten pairs of black socks.
     
  13. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    Bells was definitely onto something in that abortion thread.
     
  14. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    This is written as if our emotions are things we have not a part of who we are. It's like asking if bodies help us. We are social mammals with emotions. Any evaluation of emotions is going to include emotional evaluations, because we are emotional creatures. Maybe I would prefer to be a gaseous creature, but it would be odd for me to ask just in terms of use whether is it good to have a solid (and liquid) body. This is who we are. Even those who want 'logic' to take over - whatever that would mean - are deciding they like that based on emotional reactions to people who are emotional and their own emotions and their ideas about what causes problems - which their emotions do not like, and so on. It would be self-hatred to not want to be emotional.
     
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  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the uniform maketh the womenly womenness

    it is hard to rebel against the cold heartless machine of corpratocrisy when your labelled a sociopath because you like different coloured shoes.
    people think your a sexual weirdo if you do not conform to their colour patterns(yes a lot of people actually think that way)
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That's why the young women have to throw out most of their wardrobe every spring and buy the 'hot' colours for this year. I watch 1976 coming around again every six years or so. Gad, was that a crap year for clothing!! Doesn't matter, as long as they consume more of it.
    Africa doesn't want all that surplus clothing, the thrift shops are overflowing; it costs too much to ship it to flood-relief and refugee shelters; the few fabric recycling plants have material enough for the rest of the century, the landfills are full, but China keeps churning out more of it; New York and Paris keep mandating slightly altered versions of of it; fashion magazines and tv shows keep pushing the 'latest styles'; the average North American mall has eight clothing stores for every drug- hardware- and bookstore.
    And last night I saw a lovely young woman with lovely long legs (this isn't cochonish on my part; she was flashing them to be noticed) in 'shoes' with enormous long needle heels and flimsy skinny straps that will probably break her ankle and certainly ruin her back before she's 40. Breaks my heart to watch them sacrificed to Fashion (one head of the Social Expectation Trinit, the other two being Reputation and Popularity)
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    how many top price brands are made in the sweat shops in India & Bangladesh where they have poisoned the land for hundreds of years into the future and poisoned the water table where babys are dying for poisoning...
    all to make cheap slave wage fashion items and clothing to sell at high-street prices.

    middle east spring
    china spring
    recycling spring
    ...
    clothing spring ?

    flamboyantly throwing ones emotional train wreck into a public display to guilt trip continued unsustainable pollution and boom n bust economics serves the fringes but not the majority.
    the gender stereo types around the fashion industry carefully hedged by the political right are not there by accident.
     
  18. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    With regards to emotion, surely the similarity between laughter and crying would cause evolutionary confusion.

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Really????

    You really really think that???

    Really?

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  20. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    The onus is on you to prove your case, Michael345. For example, should you present the SAME argument, that is then proven wrong, you must concede.

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  21. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    Is this post meant to be sarcastic?

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  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    You have it in 1 ✓

    Just trying to keep jokes and humour alive in this stupid PC world

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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have been a little disappointed with my emotions lately
    so i have decided to punish them by locking them in their room for a few days
    that will show them whos boss !
     
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