Apropos of Nothing

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Apropos of nothing: If we wish to understand the political elements underpinning certain observed behavioral examples, then we must consider how much certain ranges of antisociality some people have invested in outcomes that presently include effects providing myriad pathways for alienating criticism, and the additional weight they might feel, the burdens of all their pretenses for excuse pressing heavier as the days pass. It is not triumph; it is not defiant heroism; it is self-defeat, and the increasing neurotic frustration of having proudly and stupidly committed oneself to alienating self-defeat, and as the perpetual rain of disappointments grows heavier, the storm also washes away the illusions in which they sought psychological sustenance, and they feel ever more challenged, ever more despised, ever more desperate. They must acknowledge either their behavior according to terms they would otherwise reject, or that their only excuse is noncompetency.
     
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  3. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    Everything has relevance, no matter how inconvenient.

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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    WTF did you just say?
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I wish I had time to dissect that and deal with each of its structural elements as they deserve.
    Only, ATM, As much as I'd welcome a diversion, I have to finish a longish, complexish book which says much the same thing, only in a lot more practical detail. Plus grammar and syntax and chronology and I have to remember a hundred names. Maybe only 98; a couple of 'em die in Chapter 1.
    IOW - I'm attempting to write what my hero, William Gibson advised:
    "When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart."
     
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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Just downloaded last night a video from the British Broadcasting Corporation about What is Nothing?

    After I have viewed the video perhaps I can illuminate your quest for what ever is below

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  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Not for nothing but my friend Guido, who owes me a solid, says to me, what is that guy talking about? I says to him, Crazy Charlie? He means no harm. He lives in a basement, I bought him a dictionary the other day and now he speaks a better form of crazy.

    Don't worry, ain't nothing, it's still Crazy Charlie. Not for nothing, but you heard it here first.
     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    is there an abridged with free popcorn ?

    this looks clinically applied & quite scary to imagine being real & intended and by design...
    who has the strings to the puppet ?
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    The scariest thing is: nobody.
    They thought they did, but they've lost 'em.
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    autocratic yobs
    socialist conformity to a dictatorship of lack of accountability and false(hypocritical) moral alignment

    though closer to Tiassas' point there is a strong sense of self victimization involved as a process to self validate and seek lack of culpability.
    they project their state of victimization as a reason for not being accountable for discriminatory action while they plead lack of empathic accountability and claim victim status at the same time.

    its quit messed up but very common
    i perceive it as an evolutionary process of societal intellectual social development.
    as common as personal relationship issues and equally indentured.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately despite being on the list of being available, in more than one place, none of those places can be found.

    Sorry

    I so wanted to know how NOTHING, in and of itself was
    • actually SOMETHING
    • leading to the conclusions NOTHING was a impossibility which could not exist
    • because by existing NOTHING became a SOMETHING
    (insert noise pop pop pop here - brain cells committing cellaside)

    Hope Huey Dewey and Louie survive

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  14. Thus Spoke Registered Member

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    Programmed cultural heroics;-) definitely my favorite sin, ha-ha!

    "A traveler who had seen many countries, peoples, and several of the earth’s continents was asked what attributes he had found in men everywhere. He said: "They have a propensity for laziness." To others, it seems that he should have said: "They are all fearful. They hide themselves behind customs and opinions." In the heart every man knows quite well that, being unique, he will be in the world only once and that there will be no second chance for his oneness to coalesce for the strangely variegated assortment that he is: he knows it but hides it like a bad conscience—why? From fear of his neighbor, who demands conformity and cloaks himself with it. But what is it that forces the individual to fear his neighbor, to think and act like a member of a herd, and to have no joy in himself? Modesty, perhaps, in a few rare cases. For the majority it is idleness, inertia, in short that propensity for laziness of which the traveler spoke. He is right: men are even lazier than they are fearful."—Nietzsche
     
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  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Men are anything but lazy! If they were lazy, they wouldn't have committed one millionth of the crimes they have committed nor inflicted one billionth of the harm they have inflicted on one another, on other species and on the world.
    Lassitude is benign; ambition is destructive. If humans were lazy, we'd still be hunting and gathering in small bands.

    What men are is insane. Domestication works reasonably well for horses, though they sometimes go crazy; it works generally well for dogs, though they sometimes go crazy; it works very well for cats - or, at least, if they go crazy, how can you tell? But it doesn't work at all well for humans. Domesticated men can only be kept in line by constant threat of punishment and starvation; even so, they routinely go crazy, but that doesn't necessarily reduce their productivity, so long as they have some outlet for their frustration, someone to kick down at - women, children, dogs and horses - and, every now an then, when the gall builds up to eruption-point, give them a target to shoot at: people of the wrong ethnicity, religion or colour.
     
  16. Thus Spoke Registered Member

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    Many people believe that it’s our acquisition of language that sets us apart from animals but even animals communicate. No, it’s virtues that set us apart.

    Group solidarity may be ambitious but the man is lethargic. The ruthless quest for power demands sacrifices be made by the individual but an orderly society is reliant on the amorality of the group. Now that’s what I call insane.
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    What virtues do you consider exclusive to humans? Are there any corresponding vices exclusive to humans?

    On what do you base this conviction? And what do you think it is about "group solidarity" that creates an ambition which is absent from the individuals comprising the group?
    What is the origin of ruthlessness, quest for power and sacrifice?
    How does that work?
     
  18. Thus Spoke Registered Member

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    Civic virtues. Animals do not make rules. They behave within the limits prescribed to them by their nature.
     
  19. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    They behave within the rules prescribed to them by their group. That is not "civic virtue"?
     
  20. Thus Spoke Registered Member

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    Animals don’t have rules. If they did, they would cooperate on larger scales. Our cooperation relies on fiction, e.g., money, ownership, religion, political structures, etc.
     
  21. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    The example I gave is a rule.The most powerful gets first shares and the other divide up the remainder. Iam sure there are other rules that allow them to operate as social animals.

    Why would animals having rules require them to cooperate on larger scales? Why can't their rules apply to their own area of relevance?
     
  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    All my questions remain unanswered.
    What are virtues? What are civic virtues? Are there any corresponding vices exclusive to humans?
    That is incorrect.
    As do human animals.
    Show me an example of human co-operation on the scale, precision and reliability of an average ant-hill.
    Who invented those fictions? For what purpose?
    On what do you base this conviction?
    What do you think it is about "group solidarity" that creates an ambition which is absent from the individuals comprising the group? What is the origin of ruthlessness, quest for power and sacrifice?


    How does that work?
     
  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    this reminds me of someone whom i think has borderline narcissism
    i am around 75% sure they have clinical depression sitting underneath it & the borderline narcissism is a behavioural crutch to cover up the depression.

    i observed them on various occasions where they would rush in to assert them-self as the leader of a situation even though they had no will or ability to solve it.
    their desire was to be seen as the top of the shit heap.

    i watched them play the hero role at every possible opportunity and others gather around them like grinning monkeys.
    their goal was to copy an image of what they thought would look good as a picture or mental note for them to hang on to and then lean up in their mind as a form of situational description.
    note some were quite intelligent and just played along while half were mostly sock puppets to the narcissist dictator asserting behavioural compliance.
    note this leaders narcissism and lack of managing subordinate managers(who were bullying this staff member) lead to the suicide of the staff member.
    the outeright lack of emotional and team support which was funneled into the narcissism of the manager was blatant like an old school yard bully comic strip type subtext while playing the apologist for the out of control subordinate manager who drove the staff member to suicide with the added help of a subordinate supervisor.
     
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