Anyone familiar with cognitive psychology?

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm wanting to find something like a first year or coolness factor on a university level. I'm wanting an intense level level of introspection.

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  3. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Rewrite it when you are sober. It is fuzzy now.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know who originally coined the phrase: "Man, know thyself, and you are going to know the gods," and reading a book about "a specialty in professional psychology that reflects an experimental-clinical approach distinguished by use of principles of human learning and development and theories of cognitive processing to promote meaningful change in maladaptive human behavior and thinking" can help me affect and adapt to my environment. A book on self reflection or a mental discipline manual if you will.

    I think it would be far more fitting and rewarding for me to read a text book for pleasure rather than take a course or therapy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself
    http://www.apa.org/ed/graduate/specialize/behav.aspx

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    Like... Maybe stuff like this: https://www.abebooks.com/9780176440657/CDN-Cognitive-Psychology-Out-Laboratory-0176440658/plp
     
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  7. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    As per the quote "Man, know thyself, and you are going to know the gods," I take that to mean that introspection is a way of understanding one's environment.

    Is this the case? Is it really possible for an individual to examine him or herself ? Are we not just products of our environment and can our own "self generated" input only be extremely inconsequential?

    Eg are our concepts of self worth not really the individual simply positioning him or herself wrt to to group he or she considers himself to be part of?

    We have the encouragements /discouragements (=laws,conventions)that are built into all these social networks and more or less blindly follow them .

    Exceptions might be made in the case of sociopaths(psychopaths?) but do they not really have their own little sub group that they have formed allegiance to? Or is it that the ties that normally bind in their case are physically absent?
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    There are things like repressed memories and certain conditioning that could corrupt adaption to an environment or situation. Those I think would require deep introspection. However, if I'm already flustered while looking around for my keys, can there be a problem solving strategy to stop, think for a moment and then realize they're just in my pocket?
     
  9. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    Is that really introspection?Is it not just role playing using old scenarios?

    Or is that what introspection really is and I am making it out to be something more "pure" than it really is? Some kind of an endeavour to "pull oneself up by one's own bootstraps"
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Old scenarios? If say your dad rapes you every week since you were between 4 and 5 years old are you saying it is selfish for you the victim to let it have it burden you emotionally? That's already assuming that you remained conscious of it.

    Cognitive psychology to me is not so much personality, but asking myself the question: "I want to win the Lotto, but yet why do I never buy tickets? Or, why I don't I pick up the penny off the ground? (Questions written only to show a contrast i.e. don't answer.)
     
  11. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    Admittedly my own post was pretty woolly but I don't see how I was implying any victim was being selfish.

    I thought I was trying to describe what I thought might be the mechanisms involved in the process of personal improvement (that we could not really achieve this on our own).

    I have just finished watching Louis Theroux on anorexia(the BBC) this evening.It really was a disturbing watch ,somewhat alleviated by the observation that the recovery period was on average 7 years (it seemed like recovery was just never going to be an option for some)
     
  12. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    Don't waste your time. Forward is the best way to go. Here's a useful exercise: Get a dictionary and write down all the things you like. Prioritize them, and do the best ones. To feel better indoors turn on a light or two, and keep plants.
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I got bogged down with synonyms...
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  15. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    Someone said, and I can't find the quote; that free will is the feeling you get when your subconscious tells your conscious that it made a decision.

    Another clip on consciousness:
    https://www.wired.com/2008/04/mind-decision/

    The brain is the organ used by the organism (as supervisor) to carry out it's biological imperatives.

    "The mind is a function of the brain." (Francis Crick). This is more neuroscience than psychology, so a bit off topic.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That seems to be in direct conflict with Anil Seth.

    If your mind consciously interprets data from your body, tell me your heart rate without touching your Radial Artery in your wrist. Can you feel the location of your kidneys, or liver?

    Yet your mind sub-consciously controls their functions and when they go wrong, that's when your body speaks to you and you become consciously aware of a problem, such as pain, or sweating, dizziness, etc. To your internal organs your brain is only a control mechanism, which sets of an alarm when things go wrong..

    To experience of your environment your brain is consciously processing data and making a best guess from previous experience which presents itself in the mind as a hallucination of light and dark, color, sound, etc..
    It's easy to speak of the "mind is a function of the brain", but what does that tell you?

    How is it possible that you can see a life size person or an entire group of people inside your skull, how can you squeeze all that information of size inside a space of a few inches, where it is completely dark and silent?

    Therein lies the wonder of the hallucination produced by billions of mirror neurons which process the electrochemical data and make a best guess, which is then verified by comparing your first impression with what's there, outside your mind.

    As Seth proposes, you project your brain's best guess of the image onto the actual thing outside. If you're color blind, your hallucination (best guess) is wrong but you will never know it, because the faulty network will produce the same color every time you compare it.

    This process of hallucination can also be responsible for associating colors with taste.
     
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  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    here is something you may not know. most people who have not been severely abused have no idea how much energy it consumes just for the victim to keep their mental sanity together. severe and extremely invasive mental and emotional abuse is like taking someone's mind and fragmenting it into a million puzzle pieces and just shattering it all to hell all over the floor. that was the point, they did want to destroy you. what was in natural working order is no longer. something those who have not experienced it take for granted so they think they are smarter and you are slower, when in reality, they just haven't had that damage.

    then the victim has to pick up the pieces and try to make sense of it. you have to be more introspective than most people which makes you appear self-absorbed. even a thought takes a lot of energy and constant proofreading. even if most of the pieces are there, it takes more work to put it together coherently and even if you are intelligent because the pieces are in such disarray. and for some reason, it will always be that way. it's like mentally two folders that should be side by side and easily accessible are miles apart and even if you draw from one and the other on the polar opposite spectrum and from something coherent, they will always return back to base. it's like this mental arrangement has become set.

    on top of that, they never know what will trigger an episode of ptsd or some emotional breakdown. when it does happen, it takes a lot of reserves of energy to get through it and reason your way out of it again. just trying to keep yourself in balance takes effort that should be natural.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I had such an experience whil SCUBAdiving. I developed a condition caled nitrogen narcosis, which affect normal brain function. I lost complete sense of what was up or down and felt myself spinning in the water. I did remeber to rapp my tank to warn my diving buddies that I was in trouble and they tried several methods to reorient my senses. On diver picked up an empty beer can and filled it with air from his tank and let it go, which promptly began to rise to the surace. At the time I thought he was making fun of me, but after he pointed up in the direction of the surface I was able to connect his actions as directions and immediately felt better oriented. They literally took me physically to a safae depth, where i could ecompress. , and after a few minutes they escorted me all the way to the surface. Later they explained it was one of the main causes of death, and was due to improperly regulating your breathing.
    I was fortunate that my diving buddies where ex-UDT divers and well familiar wth the symptom, which becme problematic the longer you stay at great depths, where your body become unable to absorb the nitrogen and is also the cause for the bend, when nitrogen in the saturated blood begins to expand and cause bubbles which can be fatal, unless immediate decompression can take place.
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But to answer the Op question, you may wat o take a look at this
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900004/

    and watch this for additional perspectives.;


    and this wil expand your knowledge even more:
     
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  20. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    More like the old telephone lines crossover conversation signals

    The nerve signals get routed wrongly and incorrectly labelled

    Also other ideas put it as being learnt

    Synesthesia

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

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