Any authentic historicity about Jesus Christ?

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  1. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: No.
     
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  3. Iasion Registered Senior Member

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    Greetings,

    Who forgot?

    Are you claiming there ARE records under the name Isa or Jeshua or Josephus?

    There are no such records of Jesus under ANY name.

    Josephus is not a form of Iesous.
    Nor is Isa.

    Jesus is the ENGLISH version of the Greek name Iesous which is apparently derived from Yehoshua.

    All the original MSS are in Greek.


    We do not have any such census records.


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  5. Iasion Registered Senior Member

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    Greetings,

    As much a myth as Jesus.
    No evidence for them at all.


    Well,
    someone wrote the letters of Paul.


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  7. Iasion Registered Senior Member

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    Greetings,

    No.

    No records of Jesus,
    no records of the Gospel events,
    no records of the Gospel characters.

    None.

    Just some mentions of Christians from long afterwards - Tacitus, Pliny. Suetonius does NOT mention Jesus, but a Chrestus.


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  8. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    May be the evidence about Jesus was destroyed by Christian's enemy?
     
  9. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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  10. mis-t-highs I'm filling up Registered Senior Member

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    stop clutching at straws.
    the jesus myth has been stolen from other ancient religious myths, such as mithra, gigamesh, etc etc there has never been a real jesus, it's just a myth.
     
  11. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Can you explain why Jesus' myth can become a universal religion and not others? Why it thrives for 2000+ years?

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  12. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Oh! man you do need some schooling.

    Christianity 101
     
  13. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Why? Fear and ignorance. We are maturing as a species (becoming more evolved -- as in "educated"), and we are suffering less due to our fear and ignorance of man-made religions. It is more correct to say christianity "thrived" for nearly 2,000 years, because it is now on worldwide decline.
     
  14. mis-t-highs I'm filling up Registered Senior Member

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    most likely due to it being a mixture of numerous religions, if you want to control the followers of one religion you dont destroy that religion you incorporate it into yours, however there are more than one universal religion on this planet, and xianity comprises of 34.000 different versions(sects) so which one is this universal religion, you are refering too.

    by the way, xianity is in decline, not thriving.
     
  15. Iasion Registered Senior Member

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    Greetings,

    How about the fact that Christianity became the state religion?

    That you HAD to believe, else you were burned at the stake?

    Funny how only believers were left after all the non-believers were murdered.

    (And it's not a universal religion, it's just the dominant religion of our culture, not all cultures, certainly NOT the entire universe.)


    Many religions have lasted longer than 2000 years -
    Judaism,
    Hindusim,
    Buddhism -
    all lasted longer than Christianity, so must be MORE thrue than Christianity, according to your logic.


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  16. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    But the opponents shall not ignore the fact that there are plenty of people find peace and bliss in christianity.
     
  17. Iasion Registered Senior Member

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    But you ignore the fact that people find peace and bliss in many religions?

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  18. mis-t-highs I'm filling up Registered Senior Member

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    saint: whats your point, ignorance is bliss, is'nt it.
     
  19. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Hallucination is also Bliss.
    But why care about it? After all, we all will die, must well has something to hope for better life after death.
     
  20. mis-t-highs I'm filling up Registered Senior Member

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    why.
    make yours and you fellow mans, time here good, enjoy the now, instead of raising false hopes.
    instead of telling someone who's suffering, that all going to be good in the next life, stop the suffering now, and make this life the best.
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, I can understand enjoying the now. I can see easing peoples suffering. They are very noble things. The problem is that without the hope of a future humanity withers we lose all desire to succeed, thrive, or have fun. Now not believing in an afterlife would not harm most people. The have long good lives to look forward to, barring something unforseen. However there are people who come inot this world and experience pain and suffering their whole lives. Yes, some learn to enjoy life despite their pain. DO you know what they all share in common, belief that the next life will be sweeter for all their suffering.

    As for false hopes, how do know they are false? Without proof that this is all there is you are stuck with a belief. A belief no more valid than mine. You may call it a fact, but we both know you are in denial. You have no more proof that our consciousness ends wehn we die, than I do that our souls go to the afterlife. So I would appreciate if you recognize your own prejudice and quit holding other peoples beliefs as invalid.
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    So you are flatly refusing the possibility that the Saducee's, the Romans, the Pharisee's, or any number of literate people could have destroyed some records? Hmmmm, does not sound very scientific to me.
     
  23. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Why argued sillily?
    If there is a GOD in charge, he must have power to preserve all historical accounts of His Son, right?
    But the facts point to the other way round, this God is impotent to establish the Faith beyond doubt!

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