Any aliens out there?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by John J. Bannan, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    http://amasci.com/weird/end.html

    1000 year, a 1000 years

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    that's a long long time I wonder what Henry II changes where on detecting alien life forms and how much todays picture will resemble this one in a 1000 years
     
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  3. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Just out of curiosity, what's so alien looking about this old rug or whatever it is? I've seen the same or similiar pictures on the label of a cheap bottle of red wine.
     
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  5. Klitwo Registered Member

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    For my money, I would bet on Zeta2 Reticuli as a good candidate, which already it was discovered to have a planet in orbit around it. Only 34 light years or so away and close enough to Earth to have some possible intelligent radio signal communication between Earth and one of it's planets (if it has more than one that is). Zeta2 Reticuli here we come. Do you have a Starbucks there?
     
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  7. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    You said it would take thousands of years...
    This picture shows Henry the second who lived in 1007
    Wiki gives the:
    By Place

    Europe
    Aethelred buys two years of peace with the Danes for 36,000 pounds of silver.

    asia
    Songjiang County, the later city of Shanghai, is founded (approximate date).

    By Topic

    Religion
    Henry II of Germany founds the diocese of Bamberg.

    Births
    Isaac I Comnenus, Byzantine emperor (d. 1062)
    Gruoch, wife of King Macbeth (d. 1060)
    Ouyang Xiu, Chinese historian, essayist and poet (d. 1072)

    Deaths
    Al Madshritti, mathematician

    as emportant events of that year,

    I was yust suggesting that a whole lot can change in a 1000 years.
    also
    On September 20, 1996 an extrasolar planet was announced orbiting zeta reticuli. The planet would have a short orbit (0.14 AU) and mass of about 27% that of Jupiter. However, the discovery was quickly retracted as the signal was shown to be caused by pulsations of the star.
    so for now no planets altough a decend candidate if the habitable zone hasn't shifted to much the stars are remarcable the same as our sun and our sun is going to increase it's luminosity with 40% over the next 3.5 billion years while some think that earth could become inhabitable within 900 million years, (zeta reticuli 1 and 2 are both 8 billion years old)
     
  8. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Eventually they may (Remember I'm using the word 'may') find a planet out there with intelligent life on it or at least had intelligent life on it at one time........It's still really uncertain if there is intelligent life down here on planet Earth. That has yet to be confirmed.
     
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  9. halo07guy Registered Senior Member

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    Oh....My....God
    Did he just call all 10 billion people in the world a bunch of upstart, chattering apes!?

    Seriously though, i think that intelligent life does exist the problem is, we are searching an infinitely vast area for. It would be kind of like releasing a rat in New York City and trying to find the exact same rat. Theres too much area. Thats why I think we should work on superluminal drives so that we both don't have all our eggs in one basket ( Earth) and so that we can search the systems when we get there, instead of waiting 50 years for a picture of an event in the 1950's.
     
  10. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    wormholes are less scifi

    I wonder what would happen if you make a giant space ship and put a wormhole in it's fuel thanks while the other end is in a larger thank on earth would it result in limitless fuel?
     
  11. Klitwo Registered Member

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    I guess it depends on your point of view. If there are planets out there with intelligent advanced life forms living on them and they are close enough to have discovered planet Earth, then's it's no wonder why they haven't made contact with us. They are not that stupid to risk a trip here and in up in some cage for biological study. The minute they landed here, it's obvious they wouldn't be invited for White House dinner unless it was an election year.
     
  12. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    what's close paris to berlin?, the earth to the moon? proxima centauri? this universe?
     
  13. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Well I wouldn't worry to much about it right now. Even if you got a phone call or a text message from ET, he might not be around by the time your reply got there. Especially if he called from 500 light years away. Is that close enough for ya?
     
  14. glenn239 Registered Senior Member

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    We can only conclude that any advanced life in nearby systems is not communicating in a fashion that we can detect. Given average luck, the explanation for this would be that there are no such civilizations, and their silence is explained by their failure to exist. The other alternatives are that such planets are incapable of communication or are unwilling to do so.

    Do rest assured that neither the laws of physics nor the collective reality of the Milky Way give a rat's ass about Fermi or his paradox. If Fermi thought that ours or other planets would be motivated to divert their entire global power output into space simply for the honour of allowing our blind-as-a-bat SETI program a chance in hell of detection 45,000 or 60,000 years later, Fermi was smoking some pretty good stuff.

    The object I saw was at about 75 feet distance. Is that close enough for ya?
     
  15. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Sounds like you had a Close Encounter Of The Third Kind. So did they give you a ride in their spacecraft?
     
  16. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Predetermine condition of alien lifeform and human contact
    A interstellar traveling lifeform is traveling the distance of space with the intent as primary objective to control the regional motion of stars. It is the only viable reason for official alien race to for scientific reason and natural reasons to travel into interstellar space.
    A space traveling intelligent life form having the ability to organize and control the interstellar motion of stars would be of a galaxtic empire; One that reaches out onto space to control the motion of stars that determine the conditions of subatomic chemistry and chemistry for their solar system. In the process of gaining control of the stars of the local group that controls chemistry for their solar system and star, the lifeform will encounter other lifeforms in the local group of stars and requiring management of each stars solar system, this would include planetary magnetic pole reversals.
    The control of interstellar motions of suns, small groups of them (such as earths local group of stars 264 thru 368 stars) is a minimum requirement of a galaxtic empire.
    The Advance of alien lifeforms/ lifeforms into interstellar space will be a result of the lifeforms race becoming aware of the effect of stars in the local group upon their chemistry and existence; From this recognition point of the stars effect the life forms shall proceed to interstellar travel resulting in contact with other lifeforms and becoming in end a galaxtic empire.
    Human contact with a alien lifeform/race would suggest the existence of a glaxtic empire, or the emergence of a galaxtic empire.

    In the management of a galaxtic empire we would exspect to see the use of solar systems as a agricultural industry.
    As a result of aging and developing solar systems 92 of the stars in our local group of 159, potentially could form intelligence in equal to human intelligence or exist as habitat for the alien lifeforms of a galactic empire, which removes them from the usage as a agricultural resource; Leaving 62 stars as the remainder for Agricultural Crop in managing our 159 stars in a galaxtic empire. The 62 stars of agriculture comprised of 1,468 planets have a surface area of 1,112,620,000,000 square miles from which to obtain crops ( planet life, and animal life existing as a croppable resource). The Chemistry of these planets is composed of a periodic chart of elements that has 29 atomic elements from Hydrogen (1.0 amu) up to Chromium (51.9 amu) allowing just the minimum required by chemistry to gestate life.
    It is the 67 stars of agricultural nature that do not have the ablity to gain intelligent orientation in their solar system at all; either at full development of the solar system or in the solar systems youthful formation or reformation. They are systems that are limited in evolution as fish, insects , vegetation(trees) and plankton. The harvesting of such agricultural planets is defined as less than 13,000 years due to the events of Magnetic Pole Reversals, and periodic 5,000 year? Changes in sub atomic chemistry (isotopic formation/Decay). A magnetic reversal occurring in the local group of stars every 636 days (1.7 years) and amoung the 67 agricultural planets one every 8.8 years.

    The largest group of stars having a similar solar systems in size to each other amoung the agricultural planets, is a group of nine (9) Stars that exist as solar systems producing lobsters,crabs, shrimp as the Main Life form as their most advanced stage of life.
    Here is a list of types of life forms in those 9 solar systems, having a combined number of 262 planetary bodies and having a Agicultural surface area of 95,040,000,000 square miles.
    Gene Index: 211 to 846

    NAME__________Genome/Bases Pairs [Gene Index]
    01.)Polychaete.................0.10 picograms/ [632 genes]
    02.)Polychaete.................0.06 picograms/ [380 genes]
    03.)Polychaete.................0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    04.)Polychaete.................0.11 picograms/ [695 genes]
    05.)Polychaete.................0.11 picograms/ [695 genes]
    06.)Two spotted spider mite0.08 picograms/ [505 genes]
    07.)Water Fles..................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    08.)Cyclopoid Copepode 0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    09.)Cyclopoid Copepode 0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    10.)Leaf Beetle.................0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    11.)Leaf Beetle.................0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    12.)Darkling Beetle............0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    13.)Flour Beetle................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    14.)Flour Beetle................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    15.)Hessian Fly.................0.09 picograms/ [568 genes]
    16.)Hessian Fly.................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    17.)Hessian Fly.................0.12 picograms/ [758 genes]
    18.)Prodiamesa Olivacea Midge 0.13 picograms/ [821 genes]
    19.)Prodiamesa Olivacea Midge 0.13 picograms/ [821 genes]
    20.)Meniscus midge.......0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    21.)Fruit Fly.................0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    22.)Fruit Fly.................0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    23.)Fruit Fly.................0.12 picograms/ [758 genes]
    24.)Fruit Fly.................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    25.)Fruit Fly.................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    26.)Fruit Fly.................0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    27.)Fruit Fly ................0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    28.)Fruit Fly.................0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    29.)Fruit Fly ................0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    30.)Fruit Fly.................0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    31.)Fruit Fly.................0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    32.)Fruit Fly.................0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    33.)Fruit Fly.................0.21 picograms/ [1,327 genes]
    34.)Fruit Fly ................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    35.)Fruit Fly.................0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    36.)Fruit Fly.................0.12 picograms/ [758 genes]
    37.)Fruit Fly.................0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    38.)Fruit Fly.................0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    39.)Fruit Fly.................0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    40.)Fruit Fly.................0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    41.)Fruit Fly.................0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    42.)Fruit Fly.................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    43.)Honey Bee..............0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    44.)Parasitic Wasp........0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    45.)Parasitic Wasp.........0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    46.)Twisted Wing Parasite......0.11 picograms/ [695 genes]
    47.)Twisted Wing Parasite......0.13 picograms/ [821 genes]
    48.)Tunicate.................0.16 picograms/ [1,011 genes]
    49.)Larvacrean..............0.07 picograms/ [442 genes]
    50.)Gastrotrich..............0.08 picograms/ [695 genes]
    51.)Gastrotrich..............0.18 picograms/ [1,137 genes]
    52.)Gastrotrich..............0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    53.)Gastrotrich..............0.05 picograms/ [316 genes]
    54.)Gastrotrich..............0.13 picograms/ [821 genes]
    55.)Gastrotrich..............0.14 picograms/ [884 genes]
    56.)Flatworm ................0.06 picograms/ [380 genes]
    57.)Flatworm.................0.17 picograms/ [1,074 genes]
    58.)Flatworm.................0.12 picograms/ [758 genes]
    59.)Orange Sponge.........0.06 picograms/ [380 genes ]
    60.)Tube Sponge............0.06 picograms/ [380 genes ]
    61.)Water bear ..............0.08 picograms/ [695 genes]
    62.)Water bear ..............0.10 picograms/ [632 genes].................
    63.)Water bear ..............0.10 picograms/ [632 genes ]
    64.)Water bear...............0.15 picograms/ [948 genes]
    65.Nematode..................0.03 pg to 0.16 pg [189 to 1,011genes]
    66.)- Over 40 different species of Nematode,

    Genome size in picograms was assessed by Gregory.TR. Animal Genome Size Database,
    At www.genomesize.com.
    1 pg (picogram) = 978 megabases of base pairs
    1 mb (megabase) = 1,000,000 base pairs

    These Solar Systems also have a wide variety of PLANT LIFE, and Bactrium, including Virus in nature on the planetary bodies.
    The evolution of life for these stars and their solar systems in our local group; of nematode is 0.03 pg to 0.18 pg evolving from 0.03 pg bases in the nematode genome to 0.18 pg in genome size over 368,000 years. The number of genes will change from 189 genes to 1,181 genes in that time, having species of both gene indexs at the point of maximum gene development.
    On earth we see the complete evolutionary cycle of the nematode as it would occur over 368,000 years on the the group of agricultural planets, its behavior at 189 genes and as well its behavior at 1,181 genes.
    The nematode is a interesting creature because it appears to maintain its biological form/ physical form from planet to planet, in contrast to the other lifeforms that exist in the same enviroment which change physical form from planet to planet such as the crab or lobster. The nematode on these planets may get as big as a snake.

    If humans where scaled into a galaxtic empire, given the range of our gene index from 17,424 to 69,696 we are placed as the Number 15 in rank, that in youthful orientation of our local group of stars was ranked Number 7, as a order of function under gene index. This probably would mean a occupation as a farmer, a population that farms agricultural planets for the galaxtic empire. (Assistant, Industry). The human gene index and proxcimity to the influence of Trinary star system Alpha Centauri make humans versatile in the systems of low gene index where the crops grow and is harvested. ( where for life with a higher gene index it would get more chemically complicated).
    Our Solar system ,Earth, is not one of the solar systems that would be used by a Galaxtic Empire as a Agricultural Crop as the gene index is high; our solar system would be preffered for habitat amoung the 159 stars in our local group, both now and in the future of the local group of stars. So we have actually a nice Star to live under in our solar system.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  17. Klitwo Registered Member

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    WOW! Does all of the above mean there is intelligent life (Lobster Crabs & Shrimp) on other planets?
     
  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    It means that Dwayne, as usual, is posting unsubstantiable rubbish.
     
  19. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    okay genomes...
     
  20. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Does that mean they are 'Advanced Genomes'?
     
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    me brain hurts
     
  22. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well Zeta 2 Reticuli is not within may range, i have a list of 159 stars deemed the closest to our sun. (Recons).

    Yes it does mean that there are advanced Genomes, larger genomes with more activity. The star Sirius would produced the most advance genome within the closest 159 stars of the local group. The chemistry of Sirius A
    has 263 atoms ( DR-263; 526.7 amu)

    Sirius
    Periodic Chart: 263 atoms DR-1 thru DR-263, Heavist atom DR-263 AMU 526.7
    Planets 18
    Moons 245
    Star weight 8.4 X 10^34 tons
    Suns weight 2.036220484 X 10^30 tons
    Planetary bodies 3.665196871 X10^28 tons
    Gene index 69,353

    The Gene Index of Sirius A is 69,353 would produce a genome size of 20,805,900,000 bases. Such a life form would think in cognition, (conscious)
    about 6 to 7 time faster than a human.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  23. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Confused???? Try drinking a genome cocktail. I understand that it's a rather unusal drink. A few DNA twists with a couple of X & Y chromosomes thrown it for good measure. That should take care of your brain ache and hopefully, make you less confused than you already are. Give it try.
     

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