Any aliens out there?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by John J. Bannan, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Sure there are it is written!

    Genesis 2

    'Thus the heavens and Earth were finished and all the host of them"

    Psalms 33.6
    By the LORD'S word the heavens were made; by the breath of his mouth all their host.
     
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  3. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    It's the most likley answer we won't have FTL for at least 200 years and any capable alien seem not that interested in a meeting unless it's to gangbang some farmer.
    Meanwhile the neanderthale genome is being mapped and im quit certain that many nations would want the prestige to clone a extinct animal and even commercialise things like mammoth flesh. These things will proberly become possible within a decenia and if not it won't take much longer going for there to clone neanderthals it's yust a million times easier the developing FTL's and exploring the universe for a suiteble candidate, then their is offcourse the bonus that it's going to be more of a star trek alien in stead of a weird farscape like thingy
     
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  5. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well orcot
    it would seem that faster than light already exit, the interior of the atom and space it self must travel faster than light for light to exist. Certainly as atoms decay in interstellar space a faster than light craft for travel will be nessacary.

    More than a technical problem is the preception of people working for a means of space travel, they lack the vision to see a means to travel faster than light. and what little they do understand they refuse to give to the public, and the rest are stiffled by goverments that have class that see the human public as animals that would never deserve such a exsperince. whats is funny and probablly their biggest set back is the fact that they do not preceive that they already travel faster than light. which is such a laugh because they actually have degrees form a university and a high pay job. i have to wonder what they really do with all thier time.

    Either way here is a clue, at the velociy of light or greater you need a magnetic feild in order to manuver/ change your course of direction.

    If aliens are traveling faster than light speed then we will never see them, or notice a signiture of traffic so looking through a telescope does not seem to help much. but this has been mentioned before.


    Atoms become unstable in interstellar space because they lose their electrons and neutrons, it seems as well that the protons may act as neutrons. resulting in atomic decay.

    So in end aliens must use a magnetic feild, which must cause some serious time dialation in physical motion on the piolet, simular to a magnetic pole reversal on planet.
    for example the magnetic feild can cause the dialation of time on earth at an one give spot from 14 to 28 minunes, people are exsperinceing this right now on earth more frequently than before as the earths magnetic feild is failing and traveling faster, mental orientaion on our planet earth will only get more unstable, and varible time of accomplishment of different tasks will exist.(what can be done in a day). the northern hemishpere and southern hemisphere are probally the worst right now, and they probally have the most dellusional thought from day to day, in comparison to the equator. the only other argument for the change in social behavior is that goverments of the northern hemisphere are conductiing exsperiments with the magnetic feild to controll world population or populations within thier cities. their is just no way out of it it is either one or the other.

    The same kind of distortions that occur on earth due to the manipulaton of the magnetic feild occur when using a faster than light space craft that must relie on a large magnetic feild in order to change direction and protect atomic structure of the space craft. finding a material that refects the magnetic feild to protect the piolet seems rather difficult, perhaps a tin hat.

    But places like Sirius have many atoms unknown as they have a periodic chart with atoms of a mass of 526.7amu.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  7. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Why?

    Evidence?

    Evidence?

    And the magnetic field would act on...?

    Can you back this up?

    WTF?

    Which people?
    Source?

    The northern hemisphere AND the southern... so that just leaves the eastern and the western right? :shrug:

    Some obviously do.

    Or possibly that it's not actually happening.

    I'm beginning to feel the need for one myself.

    Speculative woowooism.
     
  8. cat2only Registered Senior Member

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    Genesis 2

    'Thus the heavens and Earth were finished and all the host of them"

    Psalms 33.6
    By the LORD'S word the heavens were made; by the breath of his mouth all their host.

    This tells me it is like Star Wars out there!
     
  9. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    In some ways perhaps but nothing that's really useful, if only we were able to make some negative mass or get something like a casimir FTL but honnestly we got nothing that would reach FTL.

    The point was that it would be much easier and likely that someone in the near future (a lifetime). To repair some damaged DNA of a extinct sentient species, then to wait until you not only have developed FTL engines but confronted drake in the volume of space to finely meet a species who might not be interested to talk to us and looks like a slime ball that tends to explode if exposed to oxygen. Neanderthals are somewhat more safe because they already lived together with us for 15 000 years in the past and would lack all their own sociology and religions etc. that could piss us of
     
  10. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    I see, so a earth alien sort of. Well I think it would be a good idea to look at some prehistoric DNA, it just might reveal some interesting facts about our solar system such as the possiblity of a additional jupiter size planet ectra, or perhaps provide a new diameter of the earth for thier time period. which would allow us to look at the endurance of the biology of lifeforms, perhaps give some insight to how our solar system might be managed in the future. if future generations had such evidence it would be worth quite a lot of help as they would not have the biological remains to look at in the future leaving them clueless.

    So i think you have a good idea here! it is something I would like to look at.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  11. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, Oli

    It seems that your the one in dispute on several of the issues that I mentioned, of which i awnsered several of your questions already in previous post. the rest of your question are a demonstration of your ignorance to the abuse of humans by people professing to act in the benefit of humans but in actions abuse humans to gain a deductive understanding. simular to the advancements of medicne and physcology, organized groups of humans have a serious tendency to act in a ineffective manner resulting in the abuse of humans world wide. and for that reason secrecy exist within goverment operations. no goverment in the world who does right by the populations needs hide to a thing. the failure of vision of people who claim to be intelligence is the reason for abuse, they are willing to abuse others namely because they are ignorant and the gain of knowledge in their case requires the abuse of others.

    lets continue the conversation later i have to go.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  12. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Untrue - the previous post answers (or even addresses) none of the questions I asked.

    Provide examples.

    There's a difference between ineffective and abusive.

    False.

    Really?
    So a good government should not keep military secrets?
    From anyone? (Just as an example).

    Abuse tends to be intentional.
    Who can foresee all consequences of their actions?
    So we should do absolutely nothing, that way there can be be no unforeseen results?

    Arrant nonsense.

    Equally nonsense.
     
  13. Jimbo27 Registered Member

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    John, what's your thoughts on UFO's ? I have some info you may want to hear.
     
  14. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Wouldn't a UFO be something that we can'r=t really talk about because we don'r know what it looks like because it is "unidendified" ? On the other hand an "IFO" would be something to speculate about because it would be "identified".
     
  15. orcot Valued Senior Member

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  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Unidentified doesn't mean you don't know what it looks like, only that you haven't been able to identify what it is.
     
  17. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    When people debate first contact they generally asume that most simply they will come to us in their ufo's to me that sounds like well be winning the lottery offcourse when asked how to make a million dollar.
    Statisticly spoken if they wanted anything to do with us they would have contacted us already. So either they can't or the refuse for whatever reason.
    On the other hand developing our own FTL engines is going to take some time (some time meaning centuries)
     
  18. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    well Oli what do you define as evidence, let get right to it

    DwyaneD.L.Rabon
     
  19. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    For a start you could back up your assertion that elements become unstable and radioactive in interstellar space.
    Provide some support for that and we can go on from there.
     
  20. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    The presence of hydorgen and helium in the universe is one

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  21. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Much of the hydrogen in galaxies is in the form of clouds of neutral atomic hydrogen. Hydrogen can become ionized when bombarded by uv radiation from nearby stars. HII regions are lovely glowing clouds of hydrogen plasma. This is not radioactive decay in any way.
     
  22. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well certainly the by product of atomic decay is hydrogen and helium in every event of atomic nucleous decay.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  23. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    One?
    You have others that are maybe more tenable?
    At the moment you're just arguing that because A exists it MUST be caused by B.
    Does not follow.
     

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