Another year without pro football

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Xmo1, Aug 10, 2018.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    How strange and unusual.

    What "agenda" would that be? Equal rights? How horrific for you.

    Alternatively and based on reality, the system is described as racist because it actually is racist.

    I mean, it's easier to simply deny its existence when you aren't on the receiving end of it.

    Some actual data.. Unlike yours that you seem to have picked up from a KKK website and considered it factual. You know, stuff like this:

    Yo, Grand Wizard, aren't you even at least marginally embarrassed for posting this kind of crap?

    While there is a correlation between blacks and Hispanics and crime, the data imply a much stronger tie between poverty and crime than crime and any racial group, when gender is taken into consideration.[69] The direct correlation between crime and class, when factoring for race alone, is relatively weak. When gender, and familial history are factored, class correlates more strongly with crime than race or ethnicity.[70][71] Studies indicate that areas with low socioeconomic status may have the greatest correlation of crime with young and adult males, regardless of racial composition, though its effect on females is negligible.[70][71] A 1996 study looking at data from Columbus, Ohio found that differences in disadvantage in city neighborhoods explained the vast majority of the difference in crime rates between blacks and whites,[72] and two 2003 studies looking at violent offending among juveniles reached similar conclusions.​


    But in your reality, systematic racism isn't really a thing..

    When you look at poverty rates, access to employment and housing and education, and how minorities are discriminated across the whole frigging board, it does actually make sense.

    You could, I suppose, look at how white society locks minorities into living in cramped urban areas and the ultimate goal there. Just as you could look at how access to employment, housing and education outside of these areas become so difficult for African Americans (racism in the real estate industry is obscene and African Americans end up not moving upwards and moving out of these areas when they get better employment because they are locked out by discriminatory practices in the real estate industry)..

    We get it.

    It doesn't have enough white supremacist right wing stereotypes to make you feel comfortable.

    /Pat
     
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  3. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    I certainly am not racist. My uncle wasn't racist, either, yet the KKK burned a cross on his front yard. He got one of the cowards in the ass with birdshot as they ran away. Racists are one of the main reasons we left the deep south in the sixties, and went to DC, where we learned what real racism looked like.

    I'd like to see something about "how" that works. The black diaspora from the south in the sixties was engineered somehow? Why, then, did so many choose to go to Chicago and Detroit?

    Because there were jobs... Did white people methodically destroy the employment chances for black people?

    Yes, economic status makes a huge difference. So do the sources used to support the opinion, and I don't really think the SPLC is a reputable source, thanks.

    I've had enough of being called racist by fools who can't possibly know me.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    boo fucking hoo. you want to stop being called a racist quit acting like one.

    You are a racist plain and simple. mister chicongo.
     
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  7. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    The reason you're on ignore: You're a simpleton.
     
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  8. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    the lines are clearly drawn (legally) and they're pretty much per your example, with some additional caveats (like defamation)
    You can enjoy all types of hate speech as long as it doesn't directly lead to violence, insurgency or similar actions that are considered illegal
    The problem really comes down to proof in a court though

    not so sure, but I understand your point Sideshowbob

    For some that I know it's the fact that no other job actually allows (and pays for) people to protest on the job, especially if the protest in question is done only when on the job - that isn't about race or anything other than the wish for a game to not be a political battleground (per their statements)

    Some are just people who were raised in a different era where respect was more important than it is today (be it for a flag, anthem, police or anything else)

    Some dislike nike for their choice of words on their ad, not kap

    None of the above examples has anything to do with race, racial inequality or police shootings of any kind

    how so?

    do you have a reputable source that will link statistics that can be verified?
    you know, like source material from the BJS or the CDC?
    thanks

    no
    the system can be racist when racist beliefs or actions are taken by individuals in the system, but it's the actions of the individual in the system that causes the problem, not the system itself, regardless of the fact that this behaviour is mimicked elsewhere

    it is a broken cog in the system rather than a broken system

    the system failure isn't in the actions of the individual, otherwise, we would see AUS/NZ nationals as all being illiterate pseudoscience idiots based upon the actions of realitycheck and a couple others here


    if you're going to throw pejoratives around, there are just as many that apply to you

    you should be even more embarrassed considering you're a MOD
     
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The link lists all the incidents that were used to come up with those numbers - so they are all easily verified.

    Meanwhile, it looks like Nike is doing well now that it's standing up for minority rights:
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    Despite Outrage, Nike Sales Increased 31% After Kaepernick Ad

    By GINA MARTINEZ Updated: September 10, 2018
    TIME

    Despite the backlash in the wake of Nike’s endorsement deal with Colin Kaepernick, the sportswear company has seen a 31% increase in online sales, according to one outside estimate.

    Nike sales grew 31% from Sunday through Tuesday over the Labor Day holiday this year compared with the previous year, according to Edison Trends.

    On Sept. 3, Nike debuted their new campaign featuring the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, who sparked the wave of NFL national anthem protests against racial inequality last year. His actions enraged many, leading Kaepernick, who is currently an unsigned free agent, to claim he has been blacklisted by NFL leadership. Nike followed up on Wednesday, releasing an ad featuring Kaepernick, which aired during the NFL season opener on Thursday.
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    Nike upgraded in face of Colin Kaepernick advertising controversy

    Published: Sept 11, 2018
    Marketwatch

    Innovation is paying off and the Jordan brand is gaining momentum, analysts say

    Nike Inc. was upgraded to buy from hold at Canaccord Genuity, as the brand undergoes a turnaround fueled by innovation, improved customer experience, and more controlled distribution of the Jordan basketball brand, analysts say.

    Canaccord’s new price target is $95, up from $78. The stock rose 1% in morning trade. . . .

    Nike NKE, +0.65% sparked fierce backlash after it announced a new ad campaign starring Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL quarterback who led protests against racial injustice and police brutality by taking to one knee during the national anthem. Some football fans and President Donald Trump have railed against the protests.

    After first declining, Nike shares have rebounded, up 3.6% over the past five trading days to erase all the initial losses, and then some. Online sales soared 31% from the Sunday of Labor Day weekend until Tuesday, beating back fears that calls to boycott the brand would take a negative toll.
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    Nike’s stroke of genius with Kaepernick already paying off

    BY WILLIAM C. RHODEN
    @WCRHODEN
    September 11, 2018
    The Undefeated

    In a stroke of genius that would make a chess master proud, Nike made a move last week that simultaneously put the NFL on its heels and made competitors squirm.

    Most important, the sports apparel giant helped protesting NFL players remind the public that their protests are not an attack on the military but a demand for social justice and an end to social inequality.

    Nike celebrated the 30th anniversary of its “Just do it” slogan with an ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL quarterback who is being blackballed — so it appears — by the NFL.

    In 2016, Kaepernick became the first NFL player to protest racial inequality and police brutality by taking a knee during the national anthem before games.

    The impact of the Nike campaign is being felt from boardrooms to locker rooms. For players who have been criticized for protesting, the Nike campaign is a tremendous boost.
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  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    imho:

    It seems, that quite often, the first people to claim racism are themselves racists.

    The claims for racism are often used to divide the working classes to the benefit of the elites.

    Poor is poor and race has little to do with that.
     
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  11. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    When did racism end? I wanted to celebrate.
     
  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    As long as people keep it in their speech and in their hearts, it will never end.

    Each and every day, we get to choose what is important and what is designed to control us.
     
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  13. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    Coming from the likes of you that’s a compliment.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you are. Certainly, as documented right here in your posts on BLM.
    It's the racism that has divided the working class in the US, right in front of you for your entire life.
    Not the ""claims" - as racists describe accurate description of easily documented physical reality.
    So those controlled by wingnut media feeds and memes are responsible for the choice they have made.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. By the black people - it took some doing. They were refugees, see.
    Closest big cities well out of Jim Crow. Connections, jobs, relatives, a population of black people they could hide among, some help for the refugees of the Confederacy.
    Yes.

    And everybody in the US who isn't racist knows this.
     
  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I would submit that "affirmative action" was specifically designed to divide the working classes along racial lines.

    If whites think that blacks are getting a better deal then they learn to resent blacks.
    If blacks think that whites have a better deal then they learn to resent whites.

    Same song.
    Who dictates the tune?

    If the elites and their media continue to present racism, then they are attempting to control the working classes by dividing them along racial lines.
    When potential d0-gooders sing the racist song, they are perpetuating this division imposed and promulgated by the elites.

    Who wins by this divisiveness?
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And I point out that it was already divided, and affirmative action programs diminished the effects of that division. So your submission makes no sense.
    Nothing in affirmative action has anything to do with that.
    There is no recent "learning" involved. Nobody became racist yesterday.
    Racist whites are victims of a fundamental delusion now centuries old, and cannot be rehabilitated by any one law or program.
    Such as playing on their racism to persuade racist whites that establishing affirmative action programs means blacks are getting a better deal - yep. That is indeed the same old song, from the same old people.
    What "racist song" would that be?
    That the players kneeling during the Anthem are justified, as well as peaceful and responsible and legal and so forth? That they have earned and deserve the support of all decent Americans?
    These days? The Republican Party and its corporate authoritarian support. Marx had that laid out in the 1800s, we saw it demonstrated it in WWI and - blatantly - in WWII.
     
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  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It ain't republicans vs democrats
    That is just a show
    smoke and mirrors
    designed to fool the have nots

    Trump was elected because enough people realized that the democratic party had become a party of by and for the elites.

    Trump ain't a republican
    That is why the Koch brothers would rather support democrats in their desire to defeat Trump.
    That is why a Koch brother's shill is working with a ghost writer for the NYT.

    There will be more as the Koch brothers vs Trump war heats up over the next few weeks.
     
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  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. It's the corporate authoritarian right vs everyone else. They're just using the Republican Party, because it's the one they could take over completely.
    Nonsense. The Republican Party has been by and for the elites for generations now, and Trump himself was among those elites.
    Trump was elected because - in addition to election-rigging, which put him over the last hurdle - white racists were suckered into believing Trump was on their side.
    The Big Lie.
    Believe that, and you will never be able to formulate a coherent political thought again.
    The Koch brothers are currently trying to separate Trump from the Republican Party, because that's their tool and he's a public disaster capable of ruining it. Step one is the same as with all previous Party disasters:
    - Set up an Oz world in which Trump, his domination of Republican primaries and politics, his 63 million Republican base votes, his endorsement and campaign backing by Republican leadership, his Party-line policies and appointments and administrative arrangements, and his lockstep furtherance of the Party agenda in Congress, is not a "real" Republican. He's a RINO? No, that's outdated - still has the W stank on it. Some new way.
    They are trying to save their tool, the Republican Party.
    Therefore the task, for anyone who gives a shit about the country overall: make sure the Republican Party is bolted to its latest disaster, and sunk with it. No lifeboats, no bullshit, no ratlines - they got off the hook for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush, they got off the hook for W&Cheney, enough is enough.
     
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  20. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    It's the corporatists against the progressives or populists. Trump is a fake populist. He isn't helping the common person, he's giving their money away to the rich, ending regulations that protect them, undermining their voting rights, and inciting racial divisions. It's the GOP plan.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    I see.

    Perhaps you can explain why you are spouting white supremacist and racist tropes?

    But you took that mentality with you.

    History class didn't teach you these things?

    That migration occurred well before the 60's.

    *Sigh*

    At the turn of the century, southern states succeeded in passing new constitutions and laws that disfranchised most blacks and many poor whites. Deprived of the right to vote, they could not sit on juries or run for office. They were subject to discriminatory laws passed by white legislators, including racial segregation of public facilities. Segregated education for black children and other services were consistently underfunded in a poor, agricultural economy. As white-dominated legislatures passed Jim Crow laws to re-establish white supremacy and create more restrictions in public life, violence against blacks increased, with lynchings used as extrajudicial enforcement. In addition, the boll weevil infestation ruined much of the cotton industry in the early 20th century. Voting with their feet, blacks started migrating out of the South to the North, where they could live more freely, get their children educated, and get new jobs.​

    Are you trying to white wash the racism and discrimination in your country's history?

    Of course you don't.

    It provides a dose of reality that does not fit into your world view. You have literally re-written history because 'you're not racist'. Why? So you can say how black people were really moving for employment, while ignoring everything else that went with it. You are deliberately choosing to ignore the suffering that pushed them north to begin with.

    Then perhaps you can stop posting like a Klansman..

    That's the thing. People like you tend to follow a pattern.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The funniest angle that the GOP has used in the past few years is the "We're the party of the people! The democrats are the party of the rich elites!" Up next - GOP claims that their shit doesn't stink; only liberals do.
    Of course he is.

    He claims to a proponent of fair trade - but skews the playing field towards himself and his companies, and enacts draconian tariffs to "force fairness."
    He claims to hold GOP values - but has sex with porn stars while his wife stays home with his newborn.
    He claims to be tough on crime - but pardons, enables and supports convicted criminals.

    He is the perfect Republican. That's why he left the democratic party; they wouldn't support his greed and hypocrisy.
    The only reason the Koch brothers are supporting democrats is that Trump is currently enriching himself instead of them. As soon as he throws them a billion dollar bone they'll fall right back in line.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So it will be gone as soon as we ignore it.

    Let's take the same approach to cancer, terrorism and the deficit, and see how that goes.
     
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