This is a common affair amongst religious people, and I personally find it sickening. It devalues human ability. When good things are done, god takes the credit.. but when bad things are done, humans do. From the minds of religious people, humans seem to be of less worth than pubic lice. You'll probably be familiar with those rescue programmes on television. 100 firemen, coastguards and policemen work solidly for 3 days to help rescue a child stuck up a tree, (as an example). Eventually, after all their efforts, the child is saved. The parents turn around and say: "thank god for saving our child". They completely ignore the fact that god did nothing, 100 firemen did. It is in my top 10 of things I absolutely detest. To my knowledge, a prayer is a request - not dictation. While there are some here, (Lori/Woody), that believe god does indeed answer prayers, any reason that he wouldn't would surely come under 'free will' issues? Lori for instance said that god got some guy to steal some testicle cream and leave it outside her house for her. Such an action would have negated the guy's free will. Woody claimed that god helped him get a job - which again negates a lot of human free will, (many other people would have not got that job because god made sure woody did instead). Of course, it is most probable that prayers go unanswered because when you pray, you are indeed talking to yourself - and only yourself. I suppose he doesn't have to, but from your earlier statements - we can't really say that you're dictating to him what to do, but asking him if he will. --- So this being that is "everywhere", (a sickening thought), is still completely invisible and completely undetectable - which means his being "everywhere" doesn't actually mean much. Humans can only do things and comprehend things from a human perspective, (because we're humans). This god dude floating around completely invisible and undetectable is of no worth to a human. If he wants us to know he is there, he would need to do things that will work for humans. Of course this also means there is absolutely no evidence for your claim. Kindly back it up with something. Care to give me their names or are you just making baseless statements? Of course you could help us find out which atheists have seen god by telling us what god looks like - and then we can decide whether we've seen him or not. Again, care to give me some names of these apparent atheist god followers? You must seemingly always drag a discussion into the realms of lunacy - which is why I asked you not to respond to my posts. I deal with this shit every day, I really don't need it on my time off. Tell you what though, pm me your address, I'll come over and we can find a local lake and test your claim. You're going first. If you succeed I'll eat my hat. To this day you have still failed to provide any substance for this claim. I can think of many names for you, yhwh isn't one of them.