# another reason why the Christian bible is false

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Feb 16, 2006.

1. ### SnakeLordsnakeystew.comValued Senior Member

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This is a common affair amongst religious people, and I personally find it sickening. It devalues human ability. When good things are done, god takes the credit.. but when bad things are done, humans do.

From the minds of religious people, humans seem to be of less worth than pubic lice.

You'll probably be familiar with those rescue programmes on television. 100 firemen, coastguards and policemen work solidly for 3 days to help rescue a child stuck up a tree, (as an example). Eventually, after all their efforts, the child is saved. The parents turn around and say: "thank god for saving our child". They completely ignore the fact that god did nothing, 100 firemen did.

It is in my top 10 of things I absolutely detest.

To my knowledge, a prayer is a request - not dictation. While there are some here, (Lori/Woody), that believe god does indeed answer prayers, any reason that he wouldn't would surely come under 'free will' issues?

Lori for instance said that god got some guy to steal some testicle cream and leave it outside her house for her. Such an action would have negated the guy's free will.

Woody claimed that god helped him get a job - which again negates a lot of human free will, (many other people would have not got that job because god made sure woody did instead).

Of course, it is most probable that prayers go unanswered because when you pray, you are indeed talking to yourself - and only yourself.

I suppose he doesn't have to, but from your earlier statements - we can't really say that you're dictating to him what to do, but asking him if he will.

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So this being that is "everywhere", (a sickening thought), is still completely invisible and completely undetectable - which means his being "everywhere" doesn't actually mean much. Humans can only do things and comprehend things from a human perspective, (because we're humans). This god dude floating around completely invisible and undetectable is of no worth to a human. If he wants us to know he is there, he would need to do things that will work for humans.

Of course this also means there is absolutely no evidence for your claim. Kindly back it up with something.

Care to give me their names or are you just making baseless statements? Of course you could help us find out which atheists have seen god by telling us what god looks like - and then we can decide whether we've seen him or not.

Again, care to give me some names of these apparent atheist god followers?

You must seemingly always drag a discussion into the realms of lunacy - which is why I asked you not to respond to my posts. I deal with this shit every day, I really don't need it on my time off.

Tell you what though, pm me your address, I'll come over and we can find a local lake and test your claim. You're going first. If you succeed I'll eat my hat.

To this day you have still failed to provide any substance for this claim.

I can think of many names for you, yhwh isn't one of them.

3. ### c7ityi_Registered Senior Member

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I have said it before: God is the being (existence) itself. We know it as the self, and the self is in all of us. When you learn more about yourself, your view of God will change. Your view of God has changed, that's why you don't believe in it, but later, you will understand what it really is, so you will believe in yourself.

If you are a nice person, you follow God, because it means that you're not lying to yourself (God), you are what you are, and then you are like God. What we say don't affect the reality. We can say we are nice people, bad people, atheists, Christians... but only God knows what we are.

I don't mean that I could walk on water NOW, but in the future we will be able to do it. But some people can levitate even today.

You don't have to deal with it if you don't want to.

The self is in all of us.

YHWH means "I am what I am." If you are what you are, you are YHWH.

5. ### kziglu_beyRegistered Member

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I would like to point out two things:

1. regarding christian religion: "and God said : let there be light, and there was
light.and God saw the light, that it was good." Genesis 1:3,4. So God didnt know
how light was..
2. seriously now... One believes what one is told by persons that he trusts. You
all believed your parents, teaching you about God and light and time and space and
football. So did Einstein, but he challenged some of those beliefs and he was right.
the differece is that Einstein could prove what he said. and you all cannot.
The existence of God is a cojecture. as is the existence of Santa for children
under 5. personaly, I cannot belive in an old gray-haird man living on some cloud.
And i dont think God is a conscient beeing. I think God i a priciple. God could be a
mathematical formula. the formula that dictates the evolution of any system.
Reality is governed by subjectivity.... I wrote a book about theese things once...
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im not sure a gave a coherent speech. i didnt really read all the posts and i don`t
kwon at what point the discussion was.
Anyway, pax vobiscum !
ps: do you know the purpose of meaning ?

7. ### SnakeLordsnakeystew.comValued Senior Member

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So, then there's no need to be on a religious subforum or use the word god. You might aswell just go around saying existence is everywhere. Further to that, you can now change your statement: "some atheists have seen god..", to "some atheists have seen existence..". In actuality the statement is kinda daft either way you cut it.

My view concerning gods has not changed since I was born. I didn't believe in them then, and I don't now.

Oh no? Let me requote: "All humans can walk on water". That is what you said. Now I've called you on it, you crumble.

In your case, what "you are" is a weirdo.

8. ### iamBannedBanned

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Doesn't this conclude god is a jerk? the same jerk that lets subjective delusionists/religiosity survive contrary to reality and even shape civilization and the future at atrocious cost? Interesting...that explains everything. god is a half-visionary, convoluted, messy joke that doesn't know where its going and we're supposed to figure out.

9. ### c7ityi_Registered Senior Member

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Of course, but I want to show you that God exists, you just don't know what it is!

But now you no longer have to say that God doesn't exist, because all religions are talking about my God, which is the self, the only real existence!

If you believe in yourself, you believe in God, but I'm not talking about the person or body, but the self!

It does! I'm sure you know some nice atheists...

Yes! All humans can walk on water... later!

No, I'm you! But I'm not really myself yet...

10. ### MuslimImmortalValued Senior Member

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Christianity is not false. You're just too stupid to understand it. You should be lucky black girl if it wasn't for Christianity you would all probably be slaves. and called Subhuman.

11. ### SnakeLordsnakeystew.comValued Senior Member

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Seemingly 'god' is what ever other word you use. Let me explain what you're doing, because it's stupid.

You first take a word with a current definition. For example let's say: 'fish'. You then say: "god means fish, so anyone that has ever met a fish has met god".

In short: you're talking utter bollocks.

So.. if you believe in yourself, you still don't believe in god, (which has an actual definition of it's own), but in yourself. Why be a prick about it? Just say: "you believe in yourself". There is no justified reason to bring the word 'god' into the equation.

Please.. fucking go away from me. You're a twat.

So in short: No humans can walk on water.

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13. ### iamBannedBanned

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No, christianity is utterly stupid. She is just trying to understand it on terms and premise of sanity, reason, reality, objectivity, and truth. Minus bias, prejudice, delusion, corruption, insanity, egoism, dogma, christianity would not exist.

14. ### SnakeLordsnakeystew.comValued Senior Member

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Why? Wanna ask me out on a date?

15. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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No, I would allow them to develop morals on their own, that is, if I also allowed free will.

16. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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Spoken from the mouth of Allah? Muhammud? Or you?

17. ### MuslimImmortalValued Senior Member

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You guys are stirring religious hatred.

18. ### c7ityi_Registered Senior Member

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There were lots of talk about fish in the New testament, because "Fish" is an aspect of the Zodiac (the faces of God) But God is not just the fish, it's the self, the unity, where all signs radiate.

In ancient times people used the word God when they talked about the higher self, but today we (ordinary non-religious people) only say that we believe in ourselves, instead of "god".

They had to use the word god because people didn't understand. But in other cultures, in Buddhism, there is no God, there is only the self, because they understood. The words are different but the meaning is the same.

The belief in God is a subconscious belief in ourself. We have crucified our higher self in our body, in matter, so we no longer fully understand what it is.

Impossible, I'm a part of you. The only way I can go away is if you limit your infinity and ignore this part of yourself.

Learn to read between the lines.

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19. ### MuslimImmortalValued Senior Member

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Why are you a female.

20. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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So, you don't read what YOU write, Mr. Pot?

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*puke*

22. ### superluminalI am MalcomRValued Senior Member

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Yeah. And allah should change his name to "I WHO AM OMNIPOTENT AND CAN THEREFORE SUCK MY OWN DICK".

23. ### superluminalI am MalcomRValued Senior Member

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It's genetic, idiot. Maybe you should learn to use punctuation? Just maybe?