Another GMO shoe drops

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by iceaura, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    There is no pinned thread for GMO updates, as there is regarding climate change.
    So these items are disconnected.
    But another dog long named by the GMO alarmists came around and bit, recently:

    In case anyone was wondering: yes, human beings have a gut microbiome; yes, their exposure to glyphosate rises sharply if they include the common GMO derived foods in their diet; and no, the effects of glyphosate on the human gut microbiome have not been investigated or described carefully.
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Very interesting, thanks for this. Of course glyphosate isn't just a GMO issue: it is used everywhere. But I presume your point is that there may be higher glyphosate residues in food from glyphosate-resistant GM crops, so humans will ingest those, not just bees etc.
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    There are occasionally, in fact, measured, much higher levels of glyphosate residue in common GMO derived foodstuffs. There is also, inevitably, much greater and more continual exposure to low levels. There's no "may be".
    And also in everything nearby, gardens downwind, surface water runoff wherever it goes, etc. The milkweeds in the borders and ditches are killed as well, and the 80% decline in wintering monarchs since GMO deployment is not a coincidence.
    And yes, abuse of glyphosate at this level is "just a GMO issue" - it cannot be plastered all over the landscape as it is unless the nonweed plants are resistant, and the only reason for the creation of the GMOs involved is that resistance.

    Part of the reason for the large boost in exposure is the genetic modification itself, which works in some plants by establishing the ability to sequester the herbicide in chemical complexes within plant organelles. The expectation was that humans would not be exposed to large amounts of these complexes, since most of them would be in plant parts humans don't eat - in the leaves of soybeans, etc. The expectation was also that these chemical complexes would be inert, and pass through the human - or honeybee - body undisturbed, if they were ingested - so eating small amounts would be harmless. Neither one of these expectations was thoroughly tested in the lab or in the field, the first being ignored in food chain and processing circumstances, the second adopted without even considering the human - or honeybee - microbiome.

    And part of the reason is the corporate PR and marketing lines: that glyphosate use would be limited and responsible and in all common circumstances prudently moderated and governed, that resistance would not develop rapidly and significantly in the common weeds (necessitating higher application levels for the same protection), and that no black market or uncontrolled usage would be significant. That was all bullshit, of course - and the fact that it was deliberately misleading, rather than merely the common mental effect of corporate greed and job insecurity and groupthink and so forth, is proved by the simultaneous expenditures of large sums for rapidly developing the next generation of modifications involving far more dangerous herbicides (such as 2,4-D) - with approval for their deployment intentionally piggybacked on approval of the comparatively benign glyphosate via repetition of "GMOs are safe" memes.

    And that's just one GM, and just the bee/human side effects. AFAIK not a single one of the dozens of GMO deployments has been carefully monitored for its influence on microbial flora of any kind - even the ones built on bacterial or fungal genetics modified for easy transferal. The entire field is walking blind. Rolling dice in the dark. Living under a population of shoes of almost completely unknown nature and extent.
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2018
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

    GMO hiding under our beds, stealing our pets, running amok at Starbucks. VERY SCARY!!!!
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    interesting when the same methadology of human behaviour of collective exposure is used for vehicle speeding causing death.
    fining drivers who go over the lmit saying they contribute to road deaths etc...
    seems like a logical concept to prevent prolonged exposure to a long term fatal outcome.

    yet long term exposure to chemicals in diet as a concern to cause death is called quackery and extremist politics.


    "is the substance fatal ? yes but only at a much higher dose!"
    "so lots of small doses over a long period is legal ? "yes"...
    "ok so only going over the speed limit on occasion you should not be fined?"
    "no! going over the speed limit even if it is safe to do so, you will still get fined, because if you do it now, you will do it even more later"

    oh ...

    quackery ?
  9. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

    "Gee, how much of the substance is really needed?"

    "Is there any chance that the substance will be expelled by the body?"

    "Will that process prevent the needed accumulation of the substance?"

  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    like heroin
    crack cocaine

    children with sugar or fat addictions...

    the way various chemicals effect the brain, nervous system, metabolic system and combined effects with brain metabolism nervous system and dopamines and endorphines...
    food combinations with MSG and high salt mixed with low quality diet creates dopamine release after eating and causes food addiction to fats and carborhydrates.
    doing this to children should be illegal
    usualy sugar addiction is created at the same time with repeatedly giving the child a highly sugery drink to eat with the high fat high carb low protien low vitamin low vegetable low mineral food.
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

    Whoa, false equivalence much?
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

    So in other words - like water.
    Most people go over the speed limit on occasion and are not fined. So in that sense you are correct.
    No, you usually won't.

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