Another American Civil War?

There was a huge article in Foreign Affairs about a North American Trade Zone with one currency. A lot of kooks claim this is what our leaders are after, hence their decisions to ignore the plummet of the dollar.

 

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Would love to see that article.

~String

 

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Was this it?

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I'm not sure. That doesn't look familiar. The one I read was more a proposal for the zone.

 

While you were sleeping, Rome is Burning.

I have had this heated debate with a lot of insecure jingoistic Americans who know very little about who is actually in control of their government or what is actually going on in the world government. This Panarin fellow is wrong in some regards as to American culture, and where the cleavages would be as to where the exact divide may be on the map, but on the other hand, he knows WAY MORE about what is going on in internal American government than nearly anyone on this board.

The man worked for the KGB and he worked for the Russian military intelligence. The United States government has two essential power blocks that are struggling for control of the government. These two power blocks ARE coming closer to armed conflict than they ever have before, and in fact, there was a non-violent coup that happened during the presidential term 2000-2004. The military WAS NOT pleased about it at all.

There is all sort of things going on that the American Public is completely unaware of. The two factions of the U.S. government that are fighting for control are the internationalists(globalists) and the nationalists(patriots). I don't know if any of you scratched your heads and wondered WHY during the last administration, they kept saying Iran was so close to getting the bomb, and then the national security estimate said that it hadn't been working on it and were years away? Because, again, there are two factions in the government, one is pulling one way, and the other is pulling the other way.

Believe or not, the nationalists(patriots), are composed mostly of your rank and file Americans, and the majority of the enlisted military and commissioned officers. It is only the civilian command that is traitorous to the military. Both the election of 2000 and 9/11 were a civilian led coups for power, illegally circumventing normal channels of policy making. Likewise, there have been several other extreme irregularities in the past eight years, one incident even involved the civilian command (the internationalists) stealing a few nukes, from the nationalists, (to prepare for the event of a civil war? to stage a false flag terrorist strike? they are still missing

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Now, the lines of these two political factions have NOTHING to do with Democrats or Republicans, conservatives or liberals. Those are just social and fiscal positions that are something to quibble over for the illusion of the American voter's egos, to give them something to debate over the water cooler, to give the press something to do, and to give them the illusion of choice. Otherwise, they shut out all REAL choice that is unaffiliated with the NWO if they can; all nationalist (patriot) candidates are railed against and defeated if at all possible.

The majority of the most powerful politicians in the United States government or all internationalists (globalists), got to those positions of power because all the media elites, whether they are on talk radio, or on the network news, are ALL in support of the policies advocated by the NWO. Those pushed and advocated by the CFR/Tri-lateral commission/bilderburgers. The network and media CEO's, anchor's, editor's, etc, all sit with the politician's in on these closed door meetings. This is what shapes all thought.

After the 2004 elections were stolen, a non NWO journalist wrote this fantasy piece, b/c, believe it or not, the civilian leadership in the US was TRYING to start a war with Iran. The only thing stopping them, was the nationalist forces in this country. The military wouldn't have it. This is what would have happened had they tried it.

Nationalist candidates are railed against and marginalized in the press. This is because the press and the educational systems, through out the world are owned by the international banking system and the NWO. Why do you think education is compulsory in every Western nation? So much for freedom? These candidates positions are made to sound kooky and loony. They are made to sound like nuts and cranks, but are generally the kindest and least corrupt of all politicians. They also come from ALL parties, and hold all political positions, but generally agree on the MAIN ISSUES that are destroying the world. That being, the goals of the international bankers, the ones that don't have the world's populations best interests in mind, just profits.

It is rare these politicians get elected. If they do, they never get to very powerful positions in politics. Large sums of money and press exposure are needed to get this sort of power, and unfortunately, in citizen politics, the NWO controls the press (hence the exposure) and the money (hence the power.) Most recently, the five most powerful American politicians that weren't in the military that were nationalists (patriots), and managed to rise to a relatively high level of visibility and power in politics are; Ron Paul, Dennis Kuccinich, Jesse Ventura, Cynthia McKinney, and Mike Gravel.

There are already rumors that if hyper-inflation doesn't set in, if this "civil war" doesn't materialize, if martial law isn't declared, if the internet isn't shut down, if another false flag terror attack isn't pulled, if another resource war isn't declared and the military doesn't have to stage a coup to stop it, etc. and if the 2012 elections are still going forward as scheduled, then the nationalists are thinking about running Jesse Ventura, and possibly seeing about getting Ron Paul as his VP.

With this as a different perspective, I hope you can see, maybe, this story in a new light? I hope you understand that this whole financial mess that has happened, as well as 9/11, and the resource wars that were caused by, it were all planned? There are powerful players in the military command of the United States military, they are ones that aren't in the civilian command, and the ones who have no interest in getting into the civilian command, and likewise have no interest in money. . . which, at this point in history, I have to admit, are SO VERY rare, but it does occur, that are aware of what is going on.

These particular members of the military command, I do believe, are going to hold to their oath to the constitution of the United States of America, NOT to the President of the United States of America. But this is one of the reasons the NWO wanted such a charismatic commander in chief.

As it stands, immigrants already make up 5% percent of the military. If the internationalists have their way, they will no longer even need a green card to sign up. This will eliminate the need to have a draft. In some regards, they have already started this with highly skilled specialized foreigners.This is indeed where we are headed in order to maintain the resources wars we are fighting in an economical fashion. Likewise, it will require giving amnesty. This is a side issue of course, but with the recent senatorial guaranteed majority that was engineer, consider this a done deal. It is going to be done, (or attempted) in the dead of night. The only thing is? MOST Americans, no matter what their party or political leaning, are overwhelmingly against opening the borders. This is necessary to the internationalists agenda. This will be interesting to see how this play out. Bet you two to one it happens. It's the first step to civil war.

Let me comment on the different points that Igor Panarin made.

From the background I gave you, what should be clear at this point, is that the people in the military, and the few civilian leaders that ARE going to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against the treacherous internationalist traitors of the federal government, COULD bring the federal government to a stand still. This will cause divisions of loyalty within the military (as you can see from the increasing number of foreign elements). Likewise, as we speak, the administration is already TRYING to make contingency plans for this in several ways. If you watch the wire services, as I have been doing, and you know what to look for, you will see it.

Even in Obama's campaign speeches, he declared that he wanted to set up a "civilian security force" that was "just as powerful," and "just as well funded" as the military.

It is NOT that the people from different states WON'T want to be united. . . it's just, if there is NO federal government, the people of New York don't want to GIVE the people of California money to support their illegal population with nothing in return? And do you have any idea that both Illinois and California are currently bankrupt? However according to law, states aren't allowed to declare bankruptcy, so they just put off paying different bills at different times, revolving IOU's. And it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As far as the southwest, "old Mexico" and those territories that the US started a false flag war with Mexico to steal land from it all those years back, returning to Mexico? I agree with you, Mexico ITSELF is far closer to collapse than we are. That being said, governments themselves STILL have to reorganize. And out of any reorganization/revolution, something has to come of it. And I am telling you, if you watch the NON-CORPORATE controlled media in the areas of the old southwest, militant Chicano PEOPLE will form governments. When they do, they are far MORE likely to join in a united brotherhood with peoples SOUTH of the border than with WASHINGTON. The people of Mexico have NEVER forgotten the heinous crime that was perpetrated upon them, and Texas will, more then likely, be reorganized politically, with territory south of it's border if PEOPLE have any say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x755327
http://www.aztlan.net/french_muslim_rebellion.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317598/posts

As far as China goes? Apparently you are just being naive. Why WOULDN'T China want to exert influence over California? They own so much of our debt. And when you own debt, what do you have to securetize debt with? Collateral. When it comes to the disintegration of the country, you can kiss the debt goodbye. Then what do the Chinese have? Well, nothing, their left holding an empty bag. They aren't stupid. If our army is disintegrating fighting off an internal citizen elite coup de ta, just like any good banker holding foreclosure notices, their going to want to seize properties to sell off the assets. Don't think they aren't going to want to land troops on the west coast to get some of their money back. . . especially when a war with them has been planned in the pentagon among the elites (CFR) of this country since before the meltdown. (what better way to get rid of some of the liabilities?)
(some of this is in Chinese. . . so, erm. . . you'll have to have your Chinese friends translate)
http://www.infowars.com/rand-lobbies-pentagon-start-war-to-save-us-economy/
http://news.ifeng.com/mil/4/200810/1029_342_851523.shtml
http://news.sohu.com/20081030/n260330741.shtml

As far as the east coast goes, New York, Boston, Washington, etc.? why would Europe, the bankers, THE ILLUMINATI, the Rothchilds, the royal bloodlines want to maintain power over that part of the country? well. . . gee, i don't know, do you? lol

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And now for a world government
By Gideon Rachman
Published: December 8 2008 19:13 | Last updated: December 8 2008 19:13
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Now. . . as far as all the other states in the middle joining Canada? sure, if they got money, what the hell? I don't know if the other states know, but we here in Michigan have been suffering a great depression of our own for the past decade. You know what we do to make money? yeah, we recycle cans and let people dump trash on us. Not sure if people are aware, but in the Midwest, we were pretty dependant on cars and every industry relating to cars. Two of the countries three auto companies have gone bankrupt. It was planned by the way. . . Remember who was funding and influencing the regulators in Washington? Remember who wanted to get their hands on those companies?

I don't know if you heard, but they had to sell the Sears tower, now North America's tallest sky scrapper in Chicago because the tenet who it's named for can't make a living any more and moved out. Yeah, and Sears bought K-mart who was going bankrupt (which was based in Detroit.) So the retail industrial all around here is getting hammered pretty hard all over by the big number one competitor that has political clout in D.C. Guess who'd that be? Yeah, you'd be right. . . the big W. No, not George, Walmart. Oh, are they better competitors? Maybe, or maybe the U.S. government makes all sorts of corrupt deals, the press looks the other way with their dealings with them because of the internationalist gang out of Walmarts headquarters in Little Rock, Arkansas. You DO KNOW who one of the biggest stake holders in that vile company is don't you? Yep, the vile internationalist scum bags themselves. . . imperialistas a' la Clintons.

So, if Canada will let us have their trash for money, and give us free medical care when the Mexicans are revolting, the Chinese are invading, and the European aristocracy and bankers are taking over in the east, we'd be proud to have their garbage, assistance with college education and free medical care.

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http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2004/02/Trash_land

What is important to note here, is that the politicians on the state and local level have not yet received funding from international corporations. Well, some may have, and some may have an international mindset, like many Americans reading this post. As they have been educated in the public school system, and watch their cable or satellite TV every night. This is how the internationalists program the average citizen. The only way the patriot, or the nationalist is born is by learning how to question, by reading books, the constitution, and listening and reasoning to others around him to figure out how his country got into the mess it is in. Most Americans assume their money is printed by the government. They assume a federal reserve or a central bank is necessary, indeed, critical. Hogwash. If it is, nationalize it, quit wasting half the national budget on interest to private tycoons whom no one even knows where the money goes. Off shore bank accounts are the same place terrorists get their funding.

Anyway, the states that are more aware of what is going on, have had enough. Evidence has now surfaced that several states are considering, once again emphasizing federalism, and reasserting their limited sovereignty from an obviously inept, corrupt, and bloated federal bureaucracy. This is the first stage to revolution. Civil war if the fed. decides to resist of doesn't shape up realize where it has overstepped it grab for power. The list is as follows;

Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the tenth amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois, are considering such measures.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/10th.htm

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009
New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm
Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm
Michigan
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(fdqzphj2ebds2bfqve4uqq45))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2009-HCR-0004
Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM
Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power/
California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered
Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm

MOSTLY though. . . all of this is brought about by an ignorance of the population being kept away from "free energy" technology, and having to depend on both fossil fuel and "alternative energy" for our civilization.
This is a tangent I don't want to debate though, just one I have researched and believe to be true. I have evidence that in the early days this same cabal put a lot of Nikolai Tesla's idea's up on a shelf, and I think there is a lot of other patents they bought up and buried immediately to stay in control. I wish I had some more open minded scientific friends that were experts, but that is not my area of expertise. This is actually one of my motivations for coming to this site, to hopefully find a few such individuals.

Hence, civilization is GOING to change radically soon. Most people are blissfully unaware that the wall street crash was PURPOSEFULLY engineered because of PEAK oil. They (the world controllers, internationalists, globalists, NWO, etc.) KNEW the oil was going to run out back in the 50's, and so they had to engineer a way to crash the economy once prices started to sky rocket, since they weren't allowing for any other means to supplement the crucial part oil plays in modern industrial societies. If you think this recession/depression is an accident you are woefully misinformed. It was planned. The government KNEW we were going to run out of energy and liquid fuels. If you can't/won't control supply, cut the knees out of demand.
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/7524
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7203633/the_long_emergency

 

If we have a major economic crash (which is probable) and the dominoes start falling, it may fall into a martial law situation, which may trigger enough unrest to start something major.

I fear that a full-fledged police state in the US is just around the corner.

 

Interesting post, guy! I agree with alot of your assessment.

They really did disappear?!?!? I thought they were all accounted for. Do you have a link?

 

Did someone call Mattmarr ?

 

Esotericist, great post. Very interesting to read.

 

Does anyone think an "Amero" would be such a bad idea? The Euro seems to be working well, after all.

 

Maybe it is interesting for you to read, but very overly simplistic and misleading.

 

Which is horse shit, since you have actual government workers on this board, journalists and government dilettantes on this very board. I have family members who work in the very bowels of the pentagon.

Panarin is closely tied to a government which is, itself, on a run-away train heading directly towards the dictatorship that others claim the USA is. He has a vested interest, both personal and financial, in painting the USA in the light he has.

Our government leaks like a sieve. We can't keep even the most essential state secrets from coming to the press. And yet this military displeasure has somehow been kept from the American people. Again, I point to you the fact that you have a large number of people on this board who are reletively well connected to various government institutions who haven't seen this very schism. Any supporting evidence?

Wow. That's going to take some supporting. There is mountains of evidence, much of which I've read, from fulling independent sources that say you're wrong. Any authoritative proof otherwise, other than internet blogs and youtube videos made in the basement of some social reject?

Where and when?

Would have happened? Now someone's prescient and can predict alternate futures? Wow. That's some talent.

Because it's the only effective way to prevent a permanent underclass from developing within a nation. A permanent underclass actually grows faster than the mobile classes because they generally reproduce faster (see: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh). Overpopulation and unrest usually leads to violent revolution of people wanting "more bread" and other such things. It was determined LONG ago, that providing people with individual tools (reading, writing, history, mathematics along with other contemporary skills) was the only way to ensure each individual could exercise his/her rights under the constitution.

Had it occurred to you that neither of these guys win because Americans just don't like what they stand for?

Besides, can you support this claim?

9/11 no, that's just kooky speculation on your part. Iraq? Well, there is a movement to make sure that oil flows, but if the USA were so hellbent on controlling resources, why are we allowing people like the Chinese and Japanese to snatch up all sorts of contracts?

Except that the vast majority of the populations of the gulf states are white, industrialized and very powerful. 75 million people of the gulf states would outstrip Mexico's industrial capacity by several times over. How will a few million (at best) armed militia men withstand a motivated population with wealth, oh... and nukes, force a region of the USA to join with Mexico?

Apparently you have no understanding of world history.

China can't even take back Taiwan and it's a few hundred miles across the sea. The logistics involved in creating shipping and support networks that stretch across the largest ocean on earth are staggering. Only one nation has that ability right now. The USA is spending three times as much, each year, on maintaining a war in Iraq than China does on ALL of its military in one year ($200 billion vs. $65 billion). China has no blue water navy (and if you think I'm being naive, then look it up). The total industrial output in China is LESS than that of the state of Ohio. The Chinese currently need to import technology from Russia to accomplish things like building ships and sending people into space.

The Chinese account for $800billion in US debt. That's about 6% of the overall debt. The logistics involved in invading one of the most industrialized, nationalistic nations (or portions of nations) on earth would cost in the trillions. Just invading one of the weakest nations on earth, Iraq, has cost the world's larges and mobile nations 1.2 trillion in a little over 6 years. How will the Chinese economy accomplish this with no aircraft carriers, no advance transport facilities, and no history of occupying foreign lands. It's an enormous undertaking, one that would cost the Chinese, in several magnitudes, more than what they are owed. THERE'S COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR YOU!

An American disintegration would cause Canada to collapse as well. I don't know if you pay attention, but Canada is closer to a schism than anything in the USA. Look up: Bloc Québécois.

They moved out because of other American competitors (Walmart, Kmart, Target) who ran it out of business. Not because of foreign competition. Sears realized the expense of keeping its HQ's in a large building and moved down the street. Chrysler also named a building after itself. Many banks have done the same. It's no big deal.

Actually K-Mart bought (and called it a merger with) Sears. The name K-Mart was changed to Sears to make it look like a merger of equals, but Sears's corporate HQ and upper management were mostly fired.

Can you support this? I was under the impression that the Clintons sold off their stake. I could be wrong.

Except that Canada's population of 32 million would be overwhelmed by the 75 million people of the midwest. It would be like Russia absorbing China. It just doesn't work like that.

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Sigh... I'll get to the rest later.

~String

 

The idea of Mexico dominating a substantial part of the US isn't laughable. Canada, yes, but there are alot of Mexicans down here and probably up north too.

 

Due to rapidly changing demographics and the eclipsing of White Christian values in America, it is only a matter of time before extreme rightwing and racialist groups come to fruition to fight for their own interests against the ongoing countercultural movements. If there is another Civil War, it will not be defined religiously, socially, or ethnically, but instead, it will be racially motivated.

 

There is no immediate danger of civil war in The United States. This is all nice fodder for those who hate the US but it is fantasy. Although the emergence of the rush limbaughs, hannities, and their ilk do cause me concern - especially when they populate government with their pawns, eliminate habeas corpus and freedom of speech and mind numb the population with dittoisms.

 

Just as importantly, it's an equally ridiculous plot by extremists that, ultimately, distracts and entire segment of the population away from real American issues. If we muddy the waters jussssst enough, people get apathetic and tired of trying to find the truth. Some gravitate to these kooky ideas. Others--most others--just get sick of it, shut off, and stop participating; thus leaving them out of the system.

Why worry about bettering yourself, education, paying down the debt and cleaning up the environment (all real issues) when you have things like CIVIL WARRRRRR, INVASION, and FINANCIAL COLLAPSE!!!! To worry about. Hell, if you put it in the right light, you can even convince a whole segment of the population that it's all [insert excuse: "the white man's fault", "the black man's fault", "the Jews' fault", "the Illuminati's fault", "the Muslims' fault], while all along Americans are each, individual Neros, fiddling--as it were--while Rome burns around them.

~String

 

The only difference between the Amero and the dollar would be that Canada would have some small say in the monetary policy. It would make almost no difference to the USA, except that we could insist that the Queen of England finally be expunged from this continent's currency.

And as far as "our" leaders "considering" it, what's been happening is that the Canadians keep quietly pushing for it (since their tiny economy undergoes massive distortions whenever the exchange rate fluctuates), and the Americans keep quietly telling them to go screw themselves.

 

The recent elections have restored my faith in the American people. We may have troubles, but we are still in the game despite all the nay sayers. I think we will emerge better and stronger from our current problems/opportunities.

 

I voted no.
I think you yanks have got about thirty years before California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas become part of Aztlan. :bawl:

 

Interesting post. I too buy this theory, especially after watching the Zeitgeist videos and doing some further research. First the North American Union, then the Amero, then the chip...who knows. If enough people see this and realize how corrupt The Federal Reserve system is, maybe it won't be embraced with open arms.

As for the thread topic, I'd say no. The way I see it, we are going to start working together like one big organism. Just as single-cell organisms came together during the Cambrian explosion into multi-cell organisms, we are going from individuals into a collective organism of humans - the human race.

That post with the map is ridiculous. Canada taking over the mid-west?

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