One approach to reducing the amount of unneccessary testing would be to have a public register of all tests involving animals. It could have headings like Species of Test Animal, Short Test Summary, Possible Benefits. Then an independent group of Vets and Biologists could add an additional listing of probable levels of pain and discomfort, organ damage, etc. that the test would entail. Then PETA and pretty much everyone could begin by attacking the clearly frivolous tests. If the possible benefits to humans are very low and the tests are clearly torture and the species involved is say dogs, well even die hard animal testing advocates will agree to that the test is not justified. That way we can whittle away from the worst cases and work upwards. In most discussions it comes down to no testing versus testing. A worthy philosophical discussion, but also a distraction. The fact is some testing is a waste of time and hurts animals unneccesarily. We can begin there and begin debating as the cases become more confusing.