So how many suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan before the illegal US invasion and occupation of their country? Not to mention constant bombing, kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of the civilians, including sodomy of kids before their parents? How many people were blowing themselves up under the evil Saddam? Under the evil Taliban?
This bastard Saddam? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Your bum chum? Source? I cannot find a single instance of suicide terrorism before the US invasion. In Iraq or Afghanistan.
S.A.M: How many illegal US invasions of Afghanistan were there prior to 9/11? How many air strikes were their in Afghanistan prior to insurgent resistance? And following your train of logic further, since NATO attacks occur in response to insurgent attacks, shouldn't we pin the blame for the loss of life incurred from these NATO attacks onto the insurgents? After all, the insurgents provoked NATO bombardment. More importantly, why should the US be responsible for what others do, even if what they do is a result of what the US does? Resistance fighters could have reacted in many other ways to American invasion, none of which involve targeting their own civilians, targeting civilian infrastructure, and hiding behind civilians to avoid NATO fire. You can try and pin the blame for suicide attacks on NATO, but nobody except the insurgents actually wanted or directly encouraged anything like suicide bombings. NATO certainly doesn't appreciate it, that's for sure. The only people responsible for suicide bombings are the suicide bombers themselves and those who assist them. For you to try and exonerate terrorists is despicable.
Have you been sleeping for the last 60 years? At what time has the US not interfered with the politics in the Middle East and Afghanistan? Among other places? Who nurtured the extremists in Afghanistan? Who helped bring Saddam to power and has been bombing Iraq since the eighties? Until the Americans leave, it is pointless to talk about anything that people do in response to an occupation. If Auschwitz was still running, would you blame the Jews? Or the Germans?
S.A.M: Relevance? You yourself pointed out that it was the illegal US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan that sparked these suicide bombings. I pointed out that said invasion was in retaliation to the events of 9/11, hence by your logic we could blame all of the causalities inflicted by NATO in Afghanistan on the perpetrators of 9/11. Now that I've bitched slapped you with your own (il)logic, you're shifting the goal posts. Relevance? I thought we were discussing the response of Afghani (and sometimes foreign) insurgents to the invasion of Afghanistan, so why are you trying to obfuscate the issue? Hardly. The people of Afghanistan do have a choice as to how they respond to occupation, and this is reflected by the fact that only a proportion of said population resorts to terroristic activities that target Afghani civilians, while many other Afghani citizens condemn these actions. Admittedly NATO has a lot to answer for in regards to numerous conflicts, but it certainly shouldn't be held accountable for the callous disregard of human life shown by the insurgents. The only people responsible for suicide bombings are the suicide bombers themselves and those who assist the suicide bombers. For you to exonerate the behaviour of these terrorists is despicable, S.A.M. I find you an abject disgrace not only to your position as a moderator, but to this forum as a whole. Relevance? Are you implying that the Jews ran Auschwitz? If not, you need to cease with the cryptic remarks and make a relevant argument. And again, I repeat my argument which you have yet to answer. Why is it OK for Afghani resistance fighters to kill Afghani civilians, but not for NATO to do likewise?
You obviously have not been to Afghanistan or spoken to any Afghanis. A majority portion of the population supports the resistance against foreign occupation. The major community, the Pathans, are almost 90% in favor of the withdrawal of foreign troops and the unnecessary destruction of their homeland. Those who kill innocent civilians not involved in the conflict, whether isolated bombers or Western soldiers, are wrong. There is no other way around. To tarnish the legitimate resistance by equating them to criminals is dishonest. SAM never said killing civilians by any party in Afghanistan is justified. You are saying this, not her. It's unfortunate the so many members feel it is their duty to make up outright lies against other members to justify their hate-filled views. Intelligent individuals should be able to see through this campaign of hatred and bigotry directed at SAM. How has she earned this? You people are ridiculous.
Which elected government did they topple? Which country did they send death squads to? Which countries are they occupying?
Nov.23 London Litvinenko family mark death anniversary Friends and family of a former KGB officer killed by radioactive poisoning Anna Politkovskaya assassination. Must thank the Wife for the Hunny Do Break, let me get organized: Well Lets see: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940, they failed to topple Finland. Estonian: Balti riigid, Latvian: Baltijas valstis, Lithuanian: Baltijos valstybės, 1939 along with: Poland; THE SOVIET CAMPAIGN against Poland in September 1939 was not complicated .... to crush the Polish population between September 1939 and June 1941. ... Remember the Heros of Kaytn. And Poland again in 1945 when they drove the Germans out and then didn't return Poland to the government in exile, the ligitimate Polish Pre War Government. China, 1945. Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Transylvania and Bessarabia, after WWII. Greece, 1946 to 1949 Czechoslovakia, 1945 failed to let the Pre War Government in exile return to power. Hungary, 1945 failed to let the Pre War Government in exile return to power. Romania, 1945 failed to let the Pre War Government in exile return to power. Korea 1945-1950 Rhodesia, 1958 Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962 Namibia 1966-1990 Angola, 1950s-1961 Peru, 1980 Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Got a answer you weren't expecting, and now you change the paradigm. Every were the Soviet Sold, AK, SKS, RPK, RPG, Katuysha rocket sold, or a MIG..15..17..19..21..23..24..25 or, T-34..55..62..67..70..72..80, what is the death toll from Russian weapons pumped into the Middle East.
Certainly wasn't. My question was in response to your question: Your response was complete gibberish.
No it was clear and concise, and historical, you just didn't want to here it, because it show that the Russians have a long history in meddling in other countries affaires, so you, changed the paradigm. Now Russia has involved it self in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, they pushed to have Russian friendly government installed, but we came out on top of those occasions. The Russian did better in Iran, Syria. But the Russians need to watch Iran, as Islam is no friend to any but Islam, and even their they love to put knives in each others backs.
Again, in which country of the Middle East did the Russians: 1. topple an elected government 2. send death squads 3. have a lengthy occupation? Even their support of Iran did not lead to Iran collecting 200 nuclear warheads, as Israel.
SAM you've lost, you just pointed out they they are interfereing in Iran, you keep changing the Paradigm. You wanted to have a answer that make's the U.S. the only country in the world to interfere in other countries affaires, well it doesn't work that way, even Iraq interfered in other countries affaires, Iran and Kuwait, and Russia supported Iraq with military weapons, including chemical. Iran is interfering in other countries, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, and Syria. So you lost.
